Dear Mom who decided not to vaccinate her kid against the measles
Yeah, I’m going there. I mean when I put up a picture of my kid in his car seat wearing a puffy coat, I had NOOOOOOO idea the kind of ruckus that would explode. But I’m writing this knowing full well that vaccination shit is a TOUCHY subject and that some people might get their panties in a bunch reading this.
After seeing the news about the recent outbreak of measles in Disneyland, it took me a few days to muster up enough courage to “go there” on my blog, but you know what I finally decided. F that. As I learned from a very important book (Five-Minute Spiderman Stories), with great power comes great responsibility. And hell if I’m gonna stand by and watch sweet little innocent kiddos get sick and die and have other shitty lifelong problems because of a few selfish jerkwads.
So here goes.
Dear Mom who decided not to vaccinate her kid against the measles,
I get it. You’re like a mama bear. A mama bear that protects her young against any and all dangers. And no one can say you have to give your kiddo some bullshit shot full of chemicals that might have a few side effects.
I totally agree. We should all protect our children from anything that’s gonna hurt them. So I hope you don’t mind that when I see you walking down the street that I might tackle your kid to the ground and shove a big ole shot in his leg with the MMR vaccine. You know, to protect MY baby bear. (FYI, I’m being sarcastic and I’m not really gonna do this to someone else’s kiddo, just in case you’re too dense to figure that out)
‘Cause here’s the thing, MY kid can’t get the MMR vaccine. That’s right. MY kid has cancer and can’t get it, so when your very healthy kid who can handle getting the measles spreads that shit to my kid who can’t, guess what happens to my kid.
SHE DIES.
As in gone forever. (FYI, I’m using creative license here to make a point and neither Zoey nor Holden really has cancer and both of them have been vaccinated for everything under the sun).
But thank God you didn’t risk your child by giving him a shot that science has proven to be totally SAFE. Yeah, that’s right. That ONE study that said the MMR vaccine might cause autism has been totally debunked. In fact, I just read that it was all an “elaborate fraud.” But why on earth should you believe me? I’m just a stoopid mom in fat pants who still has baby brain three years after I was preggers. So here’s what the CDC says in case you’re want to hear it from a REAL expert:
Is there a link between the MMR shot and autism?
No. Scientists in the United States and other countries have carefully studied the MMR shot. None has found a link between autism and the MMR shot.
Well, that’s a little vague isn’t it? NOOOOOO. No, it is not vague at all. The CDC blatantly says the MMR shot does NOT cause autism.
And guess what that means. That means you didn’t get your kiddo vaccinated and killed someone else’s child for no good reason. Awwww shit, who’s the perfect mommy now? I mean yeah maybe you’re thinking I’m being all melodramatic about this, but here’s another little thing I pulled off the CDC website so you can be lazy if you want and not do the research yourself.
Is it serious?
Measles can be dangerous, especially for babies and young children. From 2001-2013, 28% of children younger than 5 years old who had measles had to be treated in the hospital.
For some children, measles can lead to:
- Pneumonia (a serious lung infection)
- Lifelong brain damage
- Deafness
- Death
Wow, that doesn’t sound like just a little rash and fever. That sounds pretty bad. And guess what, I didn’t know this until the recent measles outbreak, but there are like a shitload of kids who can’t get vaccinated for all sorts of reasons. Kids who are less than a year old. Kids who have cancer. Kids who are allergic to the shot. Kids who have immune system problems. Kids who have blood disorders. Etc etc etc. Yup, there are lots of kiddos out there whose parents would LOVE to get them vaccinated but they can’t.
So ordinarily I’m all for parents deciding whatever they want for their own kiddos. You wanna feed your kid expensive organic green shit out of your mouth? Go for it. You wanna sanitize the crap out of your kiddo’s hands every five minutes? Whatever floats your boat. You wanna let your kiddo pick her own bedtime? That’s not my style, but you do whatever the hell you want.
With ONE exception. If your choice can hurt someone else, it’s not okay.
Anyways, please, it’s not too late. Go get the shots for your kiddo. Or if you’re on the fence and you’re deciding what to do, don’t just research it. Make sure you’re reading what the RELIABLE experts say. Because there are a lot of ass-hats out there who are spouting a bunch of bullshit on the Internet and they’re not stopping to think their bullshit might actually be killing children.
Sincerely,
A mom who vaccinated her kids because she thinks scientists are a whole lot smarter than she is
P.S. If you think I’m kinda sorta funnyish and might like to read some of my other stuff, don’t forget to check out my New York Times Bestselling book.
thank you thank you thank you!!!
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/lawrence-solomon/merck-whistleblowers_b_5881914.html Here is a recent article you should read.
So merck’s mumps vaccine is less than 95% effective? This has nothing to do with measles (you know, the subject of this post). and even a vaccine that is less than 95% effective is more effective than no vaccine (that is 0% effective).
Uh, you do know the measles vaccine is a 3 way vaccine, right? Measles, mumps and rubella? MMR, get it?
Uh, you know that the vaccine for measles does not protect people from the current strain of measles that is going around? Pointless, get it?
Why don’t some of you leave this post, google Merck vaccine whistleblower, and then come back and spout off all your knowledge. Merck tried to have it thrown out .must be some proof to proceed. Case includes falsifying tests, inadequate tests, lying about effectiveness, throwing out undesirable results, hiding links to autism, and quite a few other problems. And why? To create a monopoly and make the most money. But Yeah, they’re safe. they’re doing what’s best. Why don’t we hear about it? Because big pharmacy runs or has a hand in almost every media outlet. in the long run they will pay a fine, grease some pockets, claim they fixed it all, and do it all over again. It’s the American way. But we are all conspiracy nuts. it’s never happened before.
Nope, your pretty much insane. The whistle blower thing only showed that it was less than 95% effective. There are no links to autism with vaccines what so ever.
ASD rates between fully vaccinated and fully unvaccinated kids have never been studied.
You are clueless…that is a WHOLE other issue.merck is in hit water over lying about efficacy. The whistleblower is ANOTHER huge issue that mainstream media didn’t touch. The SENIOR scientist for the CDC came forward saying him and others were told to hide data showing African American boys were at a 300% increased chance of developing autism after getting the mmr. Do your research, you lost any credibility talking about something you KNOW NOTHING about. Bam
I didn’t put links in my first post because I didn’t think they would be accepted. I can give you a load of them, but I’ll try this one first. It specifically says they knew the MMR-autism link but deliberately hid it. http://www.globalresearch.ca/senior-government-scientist-breaks-13-years-silence-on-centers-for-disease-control-vaccine-autism-fraud/5396644
http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/great-cdc-coverup-suppressing-evidence-mmr-vaccines-autism/ People who believe vaccines cause autism are either learning disabled or emotionally disturbed and believe in ridiculous conspiracy theories. Try talking to an actual scientist rather than trusting natural news. Idiots
http://www.antivaccinebodycount.com/Anti-Vaccine_Body_Count/Home.html
Snopes: CDC “coverup” was actually confusion between what content on a CNN platform was CNN content and what was submitted by users. In this case…the coverup article was BS.
http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/cdcwhistleblower.asp
Huffington Post would disagree…google the article
APA Format please for providing evidence of stating that all vaccinations are showing a 100% or at least 99*% effective, so that we can continue to inject infants with so many vaccinations, because we don’t care about anyone else’s children. Question is about future generations and while you dispute this argument, it is the efforts of people who will, to prevent from your grandchildren of being affected by the contamination of vaccinations. Let’s continue to promote and hide the facts that actually are preventative and will help make future generations safe. GET THE FACTS and please provide this in an APA format before speaking out such ignorance.
Please review an 4 hr senate video of real people who do extensive research on vaccinations and the harm they cause. This is what people do to promote and protect children before they speak out about the problems. FACTS SOLVE PROBLEMS.
http://www.c-span.org/video/?309672-1/federal-response-rise-autism-rates
Yup…none whatsoever besides the hundreds of thousands of children who were perfectly healthy and then received the mmr or dtap and now have regressed and bang their head on s**t all day, within days of receiving the vaccines and have been paid out by the vaccine court which is paid for by tax payers money because they were being sued so much and needed protection.
Since I have autistic children, I can safely say if I could go back in time I would still vaccinate them. I would rather have them be as they are than dead.
Oh please idiot.
Moron!
Thank you for your sanity.
I also have a child with autism and feel the same way. The thing is if these unvaccinated kids develop one of these diseases and are in the hospital you know d**n well those parents will tell the doctors to pump everything under the sun into their kid to save them.
Anyone who says you’re a moron or an idiot is ridiculous and has obviously never been within 5 feet of a child. I would rather have a child with autism, or Down’s syndrome or only one leg than have my child DIE because the caught a disease that I COULD HAVE PREVENTED by giving them a vaccine. Sorry, but if you don’t vaccinate and your kid dies from measles or mumps or whatever that s**t is on you. Hope you can sleep with that at night
Really? My son became autistic after his shots. If i could go back i would not vaccinate him. Doctors can treat n cure measels however they cannot with Autism. If they can save ppl with Ebola than can treat measels. Autism and the brain damage some patients can not be fixed. Or the kids that die from vaccine. Cant bring them back
As I said careful what you cite as research – Huffington Post is rife with unreliable research that is based on other unreliable research and – it disagrees because THAT is its job.
http://www.cdph.ca.gov/Pages/NR14-018.aspx
About a death from Whooping cough of a neonate.
The reason I had not seen a whooping cough victim in our Kids Intensive Care Unit for years and it was supposedly gone from Australia, was that we had a high ‘Herd Immunity’. The reason that this child died is unarguably because the only 95% efficacy added to 100 percent of people being immunized is no longer the case so there are subtle (less so every day) Gaps in said Herd Immunity. Mothers and fathers will do what they will . Eventually they will stick to their guns and do what they feel in their hearts is right – its what parents do. but parents are not often scientists and can only go by their horrifying window of experience and that of similarly normal people who post about this .
Eventually governments will legislate and take that choice away because safety is basically inherent in immunization – science knows this the rest is just made up crap and parents experience . Yes immunizations are containing dangerous stuff in trace amounts its part of how it works. With out the live or attenuated virus it can do nothing in some cases. Its job is to trick the body into believing it has the virus so it produces antibodies (in most cases) otherwise it will not work even 95%.
The main issue arises if you get your kids immunized when they are already sick. The infection the have can cause a massive immune response when coupled with an immunization because that is what a real virus does and that is what many Immunizations do – pretend to be a live virus. Parents who cite their own experience and their poor children’s fates may possibly have fallen victim to this doubling of the infective process.
If that process causes a large fever (and that may be part of the original infection but the Immunization can always take the blame because parents do not want to feel in any way that they have no identifiable and blamable cause.
It breaks my heart to see babies die. We have managed to keep all the whooping cough babies alive that were brought to us alive (not all made it to us however). Every single one of them will be on oxygen at home for at least a few years (those who are not still in hospital or suffered Organ failures as a result and died down the track say a year later).
Someone posted that no one died of the measles outbreak.
Measles is not all that is out there.
When the (mutated)Ebola virus comes to your area, and there is an immunization available – will you stand by your guns and be one of the people who chooses not to immunize against it?
I wonder where your govt will stand on your choice then.
See a short film called ‘Cough’ its a slight window into the potential if some airborne lethal Pandemic arose in a civilized country.
You do not need to see the film to think this through.
Survive.
I hope we all survive.
Immunize.
P.S. I am a front line Health Care Worker. Ebola is utterly terrifying as it is –
It wakes me with nightmares even before it has entered my country at all.
if it ever becomes Airborne?
– God(-insert appropriate deity or leave blank-) save us all!
Kristen…Right..Really? Please review the subject matter and advise that none of this could be prevented by you. I know how hard it is to hear the truth.
http://www.c-span.org/video/?309672-1/federal-response-rise-autism-rates
When I was a child they didn’t vaccinate for measles, mumps, chicken pox or rubella. I had all 3 and I am healthy!!!! I was sick for a few days and then fine. It’s a NORMAL part of growing up, that’s why it’s called childhood illness. None of these illnesses require I am medicated or require special care for the rest of my life. This is the case for 95% of children. Do these statistics sound familiar? These are the same success rates that vaccinations have… accept they don’t require I be injected with toxins, I just got sick and then got better. And I have antibodies for these for the rest of my life, no booster required. We have to ask ourselves why we have SO many more vaccinations then we did 30 yrs ago… are we healthier?
As I said careful what you cite as research – Huffington Post is rife with unreliable research that is based on other unreliable research and – it disagrees because THAT is its job.
http://www.cdph.ca.gov/Pages/NR14-018.aspx
About a death from Whooping cough of a neonate.
The reason I had not seen a whooping cough victim in our Kids Intensive Care Unit for years and it was supposedly gone from Australia, was that we had a high ‘Herd Immunity’. The reason that this child died is unarguably because the only 95% efficacy added to 100 percent of people being immunized is no longer the case so there are subtle (less so every day) Gaps in said Herd Immunity. Mothers and fathers will do what they will . Eventually they will stick to their guns and do what they feel in their hearts is right – its what parents do. but parents are not often scientists and can only go by their horrifying window of experience and that of similarly normal people who post about this .
Eventually governments will legislate and take that choice away because safety is basically inherent in immunization – science knows this the rest is just made up crap and parents experience . Yes immunizations are containing dangerous stuff in trace amounts its part of how it works. With out the live or attenuated virus it can do nothing in some cases. Its job is to trick the body into believing it has the virus so it produces antibodies (in most cases) otherwise it will not work even 95%.
The main issue arises if you get your kids immunized when they are already sick. The infection the have can cause a massive immune response when coupled with an immunization because that is what a real virus does and that is what many Immunizations do – pretend to be a live virus. Parents who cite their own experience and their poor children’s fates may possibly have fallen victim to this doubling of the infective process.
If that process causes a large fever (and that may be part of the original infection but the Immunization can always take the blame because parents do not want to feel in any way that they have no identifiable and blamable cause.
It breaks my heart to see babies die. We have managed to keep all the whooping cough babies alive that were brought to us alive (not all made it to us however). Every single one of them will be on oxygen at home for at least a few years (those who are not still in hospital or suffered Organ failures as a result and died down the track say a year later).
Someone posted that no one died of the measles outbreak.
Measles is not all that is out there.
When the (mutated)Ebola virus comes to your area, and there is an immunization available – will you stand by your guns and be one of the people who chooses not to immunize against it?
I wonder where your govt will stand on your choice then.
See a short film called ‘Cough’ its a slight window into the potential if some airborne lethal Pandemic arose in a civilized country.
You do not need to see the film to think this through.
Survive.
I hope we all survive.
Immunize.
P.S. I am a front line Health Care Worker. Ebola is utterly terrifying as it is –
It wakes me with nightmares even before it has entered my country at all.
if it ever becomes Airborne?
– God(-insert appropriate deity or leave blank-) save us all!
PPS – I hope this does not post multiple times – it is not letting me save 🙁 hehe Conspiracy!!!!
That is about efficiency. If you want to read a fun article about why vaccinated people get the diseases they are vaccinated for (i.e. efficiency of the vaccine), I recommend: http://www.wired.com/2015/01/vaccinated-people-get-measles-disneyland-blame-unvaccinated/ . Some vaccines have less than 90% effectiveness, but the vaccination system works with this… as long as people get vaccinated.
Efficacy*
http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/merck-mumps-motions-whistleblowers-the-actual-story/
a child undergoing traditional treatment for cancer that is immune suppressing can catch any one of hundreds of strains of viruses or bacteria with devastating consequences such as a particularly nasty cold or any ”bug” that they don’t/can’t vaccinate against. They could also get into the car one day and be in a fatal car crash. I know this is the emotionally manipulative argument that seems to receive online standing ovations for ”the cause” but it’s not a very good one if you put in in perspective.
For real???? I am an real life cancer mom and it’s not the same thing by a long shot!!!! And until you have stood in front of a tiny casket because some effing idiot thought they didn’t need to vaccinate their kid and your immune compromised kid, who you vaccinated as a good parent FYI on chemo their vaccinations go into hibernation and don’t work, then shut up!!!! Cause I have and your an IDIOT for even seeing there might be a comparison there. Sincerely- a very pissef off cancer mom who hates that there are idiots who trivialize and minimize the lives of all the poor sick kids who don’t deserve the shitty hand life dealt them and they sure as hell don’t need extra bullshit from idiots on top of it
I’m so sorry hun, that is so horrible! I have read a lot of crap about the “dangers” of vaccinations and I have not turned down any of the vaccinations for my son because I feel that the risk of him getting one of these illnesses without the vaccination far outweighs the risk of him having an allergic reaction or “getting” autism from them and because of stories like yours! Some idiots just don’t think about anyone but themselves/their own children and it is truly scary that they put babies, children, and adults who can’t get vaccinated at risk by refusing the vaccinations for no good reason and don’t give a crap if their child gets someone else sick and causes someone to die. People really need to realize that these things that the vaccines are there to prevent are NOT gone and are very deadly and were only kind of in check because of the VACCINATIONS! But now thanks to these idiots who believe this bull that the vaccinations will hurt anybody who gets them, these illnesses that we haven’t seen in so long are coming back…hopefully these people will realize that they need to get their kids vaccinated and do it asap. You are absolutely right…these sick kids do not deserve to suffer and have enough to worry about without extra crap like this that could be prevented.
Jessie M, my youngest was born with a malignant brain cancer. I know how you feel. Cancer patients of all ages are so susceptible to any type of infectious agent. I don’t know if your sick child has school age siblings, mine did, and we asked the school district if they could please ask other parents to report any cases of infectious diseases (no names needed, just to help us keep it away from our baby as much as possible). We also vaccinated ourselves and our older kids religiously. Cancer families have to become germophobic. Not all cancer kids are confined to hospitals for long periods of time. A lot of them go in to the hospitals and/or clinics for a day at a time. They still share one side effect: weakened immune systems.
Vaccines do/have caused cancers. Maurice hilleman started and ran merck’s vaccine program. He developed over 36 different vaccines. You do not need to search the net very hard to find a video of him laughing about how certain vaccines were causing cancer. There are over 60 studies which have confirmed this! Watch the video. Read the studies. The video was never meant to be seen by the public. Luckily someone thought we should know. There is also the video of Bill Gates speaking to a crowd telling them he supports population control and thus vaccination. These are easy to find online. Kids are hurt every year by vaccines. Get the vaccine. Things will be fine…until a few years down the road. Now those same companies who made money giving cancer can make money treating it!
Your child probably had cancer FROM the vaccinations
You, sir, are a colossal asshole.
How dare you. I’m a mom of a healthy child, but what you just said was horrific. Instead of hiding behind your computer or cell phone typing ridiculous statement. Maybe think if you would say that to one of these mothers face to face before hitting send.
Wow i cant believe how heartless you could be by leaving a post like that…if you were smart enough to read and do some research you would see that there are side affects to everything treatment wise that we put in our bodies but you have to weigh the good and the bad but for you to say something like that just goes to show how ignorant you really are…i would strongly suggest that you apologize yo that mom to whom your disgusting post was directed to so that not everyone thinks your a waste of skin and a useless peice of crap as i do!!!! I have also reported you in regards to your post which is offensive
Wow. You are an awful human being for saying that. How dare you!
one of the only people with sense here
OMG… are you serious right now…what a moron.
What a horrible stupid insensitive comment to make. You are an awful person.
You are an ignorant a*s. That was so cruel.
This comment says so much more about you than it does anyone else.
Just a question..since you are so very anti-vaccination…ARE YOU VACCINATED? Did your parents trust their doctors so you never had to be subjected to any one of the diseases that children do get vaccinated for? If so, then you have no argument and that goes for every other person who is anti-vaccination. I was not vaccinated as a child and I got the measles (it was horrific)and the chicken pox. Luckily I turned out ok, but I would never ever wish those diseases on my children and so they are vaccinated. I don’t need to read study after study, I just have to look at my healthy children to know that vaccinations work.
I totally agree. IT’S CALLED THE INDIRECT EFFECT OF VACCINATIONS PEOPLE!
I hope you die a long, agonizing death.
Truth
wow.. hes not saying i hope your kid gets cancer or i hope your kid dies of cancer.. he is saying that maybe its the vaccine that cause it.. maybe thats a cause. have you ever thought about it? do you just think because people TELL you something is good you just do it. your kids or family that have cancer.. did you go straight for chemo or research other options? for you people to say horrible things to this guy.. shame on you! I’m sorry there are kids with cancer out there.. that is terrible.. and I’m sorry there are parents that have to go through that too. But to tell this guy he’s an asshole and you hope he dies a long agonizing death?? WHAT THE F*CK.. you guys are horrible!
Other than christians.. i have never read more horrible comments from people.. than people who vaccinate. there are so many websites out there. obviously some are going to say vaccines are what you need.. and some are going to be against.. the point is that you research all of them. there is a chance that kids/people may not die from the measles or other diseases like this.. and then some may. Same thing with vaccines. Some are fine.. but sometimes things happen to kids. Sometimes people get one kid vaccinated and it messes them up SO bad they don’t want to give them any more vaccines.. or their other kids any vaccines. Every body is different. People react differently to different foods. Some people can die if they are allergic to a certain food. And you can’t even say “oh well YOU are vaccinated aren’t you..your parents vaccinated you”.. um yeah.. that was the choice of my parents.
Things are also made differently now. Ex: Jessica Alba’s mom told her to use this baby detergent to wash her babys clothes in. Well she did, and she had a bad reaction to it. When she did research on it.. she realized it was made differently. It had different chemicals than it did when her mom used it. Coca cola.. used to have cocaine in it. Obviously the realized that was not a good idea. People that vaccinate are angry and get pissed that people who don’t vaccinate won’t inject things into their kids.. to protect the other kids? You say when someone else’s kid gets cancer or the disease they will understand.. So likewise.. if you were to vaccinate and something horrible happen to your kids.. maybe you will understand.
People have this misconception.. that “non-vaxers” don’t vaccinate because of jenny mcarthy or autism. Obviously you have no idea. That is not the reason. Keep vaccinating you children.. but research..everywhere you can. I don’t think it causes autism.. but I’m not totally against it either. There are way more autistic children, cancer, mental disorders.. lots of things going on. I don’t completely trust our government. If you do.. you are blind. You don’t have to be a “conspiracy theorist” but think for yourselves! don’t just do what people want you to do or think what they want you to think. Bash me.. i don’t care.. but Im not a bad parent BECAUSE I research anything having to do with my kid before I make a decision. Do I think I am 100% right all the time.. no. But I’m not going to blindly give my kids something I’m not sure about. you can voice your opinions and be angry.. but you are ADULTS stop acting like children! stop telling people you hope they die. Karma is a b***h.. you tell someone you hope they die and it will come back threefold. someone you love might be the one to die.. or something horrible will happen to you. stop wishing horrible things on someone. ESPECIALLY when all they did was say.. maybe they got cancer from the vaccine. they didn’t wish harm on anyone.
You are a total asshole and show no empathy for poor children going through something so horrific. But go ahead and come on a parenting blog to show your complete lack of compassion!! May God have mercy on your useless bitter soul!!!
lol diana.. im not sure if that was directed to me or ben.. but seriously? neither one of us have said anything like that.. what makes you think we have no sympathy for children.. or anyone on here. I agree with some of these other ladies.. its a choice to vaccinate our kids. Im sorry cancer is out there and anyone would have to deal with that.. but we don’t know whats causing it. it very well might be a vaccine.. it could be something else. people are getting very rude. telling people they hope other die.. jesus! Too many stories (like a few on here) where peoples children have had horrible things happen because of vaccines. You don’t know for sure if the vaccine or disease is going to harm someone. so as a parent you make the decision.. to tell someone you hope they die or say these nasty things… you people are horrible!! karma is a b***h.. stop acting like one.. just worry about your family and stop wishing death and horrible things on others. if i believe in god.. i would say he is sending you straight to hell.. he would be ashamed of how you people are acting. anyone can come on here and comment. so don’t tell me where i can and can’t post lady
You are an IDIOT!!! Do you have any medical degree to support that???!!!
‘Your child probably had cancer FROM the vaccinations’ –
So the unimmunized kids that I see as a Kids Intensive Care RN, who get cancer and Autism and all those things kids should be immunized against as well on top of that – just bad luck I guess – whereas you’re arguing that Immunizations give cancer and or Autism like almost ?80 ? 90 percent(Probably) ?
Thankfully your lack of Genius is just what Immunization needs as its champion – so thanks ‘ben’ – You Rock! 🙂
So about the ‘research'(and I use the term very loosely because anti-immunization gurus do),
You can cite what you think is research but if you trawl back through it seriously and check out its methodologies and its target groups and the methods of sampling its just skewed information similar to Newspaper Journalism – Not Research at all. I spent a few years as an Anti Immunization person – and one week got obsessed with getting my argument right so I researched the research – as I had studied research recently and the way to do this was fresh in my head. For the Record the ‘Yet to be published article from the University of (whichever name they choose this year i have seen Michigan and Minnesota and 2 others ) has been rolled out for over 10 years and reworded a little here and there. If its unpublished there are two very important factors .
1) -If its not published it IS NOT RESEARCH at all –its a supposition based on nothing.
2)- It may have been so transparently useless as far as valid research goes – it was not published for that reason. You only find this article if you look back through what anti-Immunization writers are calling their facts – its just there to flesh out the numbers in the Bibliography. Also you will find ‘loop research’ that cites one that cites the other so neither have any actual facts that they are basing some of the arguments on (you do this by citing an older version of the research who then years later cites your words that were from their own words – as the source – its there if you look hard enough). However its incredible lack of credibility makes the whole premise tainted with more than just a smattering of BS. The problem with this sort of thing today is that if you spend a day fabricating crap around your theory it looks solid and well supported even if its a 5 day dead rat in the center of it all. Sadly the average person only does their research through google/search engines and only to about 1 or two levels of depth.
(Originally a PS.) You will not find any research that has been published in an actual university that states fully that in a total populace of any given area when the immunized were compared with the fully non immunized the numbers who had ASD/Autism/Cancer were thus. (there are a few faked ‘Institute of X and Y’ that are cited as well as a professor who did not exist whose colleagues were blinded etc. etc.
-( who has her own identity on Wikipedia so she MUST exist rofl.).
Two of those are in fact companies that exist but have no grant to do research in any way shape or form.
(not a randomly selected by the author with a dodgy method ie. ‘parents who came to me in support of my theory ‘ is not random sampling).
And that From the grave evidence from Maurice Hillman – hehe lol indeed
( http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2013/09/11/a-zombie-meme-rises-from-the-grave-maurice-hilleman-the-polio-vaccine-sv40-and-cancer/ ). Mercola is definitely not stupid he is an ‘internet genius’ ! . It has made him millions in book sales and probably will one day be responsible for many many more deaths than ‘Polpot’, ‘ben'(above) and ‘Auschwitz’ .
Do NOT do your research – pick apart the research that is there and find the parts that unravel. Or else your research into this issue is just befuddlement by internet gurus who will sell you their book full of smoke and Mirrors . Magic!
PS in my case that weekend of researching the research became about 1 month and by the end of it I was converted – back to a Pro Immunization Stance and very embarrassed.
This comment gave me boneitis.
My cousin suffered encephalitis post MMR. She was paid by the vaccine injury fund. She will never live independently, never have her own children. She’s not dead, but she is injured by a vaccine her parents trusted. MMR is not risk free. Some people will become permanently and irreversibly injured after getting it, and the real problem is that there is NO acknowledgement of this! It gets denied and brushed under the rug. Does she matter less than your child?
No, MMR is not risk-free. However, it is extremely low-risk. The slim odds of your cousin’s negative reaction is vastly outweighed by the benefits of the vaccine. Arguing otherwise is like railing against seatbelts after you experience the outlier crash in which the belt caused more injury than it prevented, ignoring the overwhelming majority of the time the opposite occurred.
Jamie, I am so sorry to hear of your cousin. There ARE vaccination risks as well. I am not sure if this mother is using a mask for her child with cancer, but that and proper hand washing would go very far in preventing a secondary illness in her child. I have chosen not to vaccinate my children because I do have a choice. There is much more to the MMR vaccine concerning the cell line was grown on an aborted fetus, then there are the mothers who have told me their child was developmentally healthy prior to the MMR vaccine and now are anything but. I can understand this mother is angry, but she is very abrasive in her words and almost seems to be attempting to be offensive. I am sorry that her child is sick and I would not wish that on any parent and child. I can only imagine, but please know that you are making a choice to respond in a nasty way to those of us who choose differently than you do.
Thank you Pam!! This mom’s tone absolutely needs to change. Vaccinations aren’t mandated, they are still a parent’s choice. Am I missing something? Has someone died from the outbreak? No?
If she 100% knew for a fact, the one thing that gave her child cancer, would she continue to give that one thing to her child? HECK NO!
So this mom is selfish, saying that her child’s evil is worse than anyone else who might be going through something with their child, directly related from the MMR vaccination. At least she can still talk to her child and her child may survive cancer, if she stays clear of the general public. That’s what the state requires of unvaccinated children when there is an outbreak, to stay home from school, for the unvaccinated child’s protection. BTW, mercury, which is in the MMR rapidly depletes the immune system and increase one’s chances of contracting cancer.Think on that.
BRAVO! Fellow cancer Mom here too! Stand in our shoes with the fear of your child dying if they come in contact with a previously eradicated disease, then get back to me pal!
EXACTLY! I don’t have a child with cancer but I can imagine the frustration of you having to deal with these people who “know it all” !!!
I there, so sorry to hear about your family’s trials. Would you mind providing me links or info about “anti-vaxxers” being the only “carriers” of disease? Even a quick Google search shows that everyone is a carrier, furthermore, even the pro-vaccine articles mention everyone being carriers. I’ve only heard of the media trying to “trend” phrases like ‘the anti-vaxer movement is causing epidemics…’ . If anything, asymptomatic vaccicnated people are putting others even more at risk as they don’t know they are carriers, while un-vaccinated people have symptoms and like with any disease will likely stay home and not spread it as much or for instance find themselves on the same floor as cancer patients. Unfortunately there are two sides to everything and I may be wrong and if you have any convincing info to share I would like to read it.
Thanks
AMEN!!! from a fellow cancer mom
So your saying that you vaccinated your immune comprimised child and then she eventually died but it was actually some mystery UVax child who killed her? Why dont you accept the fact that your genetics suck and your bloodline was probably supposed to be weeded out.
Officials, “Hey… Now that the race riots have died down, let’s turn parents against each other.” Anything to keep the sheeple distracted from their corrupt behavior. At least this discussion is less mind numbing, to those who aren’t completely paralyzed by cognitive dissonance, than which football player (idolized criminal) dropped the ball during the superbowl. To quote Orwell, “To keep them in control was not difficult.”
(((hug)))
You’re answer is ridiculous. ‘A person with cancer is so sick that so many things can kill them, so adding one more thing that lowers chance of survival doesn’t matter’? Really? In essence that’s exactly what you said.
So by your argument:
I should be able to play Russian roulette and point the gun at you without getting in trouble. Because it’s not a garauntee that I’ll kill you, and hey, you already have a chance dying from some thug on street anyway. I only increased the chance of you dying.
This reminds me of when I was pregnant and asked my ex not to smoke in the house because it might hurt the baby. His response was that there was smog and other toxins outside, so why should cigarette smoke bother me. Kind of seems like the same argument if you ask me.
If the vaccine was so safe, why do they not allow an immune suppressed patient recieve it??
Vaccines depend on your own immune system to work. They rely on you to make memory cells that will protect you later if you’re exposed to the infectious agent. If you don’t have am immune system (chemo pretty much destroys it) then the vaccine can’t help you. Your immune system is awesome! Help train it so it can protect you!
If you wan to train your immune system you shoud see a chiropractor. By removing the interference in the connection between the brain and body it allows the body to operate the way it was designed. Your immune system will functikn at its 100% when there is balance in the system and no longer live in the sympathetic state. Stress further depresses your immune system by putting you more in the right brain, thus limiting the time the left brain has to control the immune system. Go go get checked, they know the nervous system.
No better way to test your immune system than to inject your body with untested chemicals.
Because someone with a suppressed immune system doesn’t build the antibodies!
Do you know how vaccines work? A very weak (or dead) version of the disease is injected into your body so that your immune system can fight it and make natural antibodies so that you can easily fight the disease in case you ever encounter it again. People with suppressed immune systems cannot even fight off the weak diseases to make antibodies. Imagine what the real disease could do to them!
That’s how they’re supposed to work, but in reality VICP has paid out almost 3 billion dollars to parents of vaccine-injured children, all of whom were pro-vaccine and trusted their pediatrician. They did not get informed consent.
That 3 billion is a total from 1989 until today paid out to only about 4,000 families out of the millions of children who had received shots. No one has denied that vaccines can have some very real and serious side effects. The VICP was set up to help the families at a quicker rate than going through the traditional courts (You have to prove that it was a vaccine injury). There were about 14,000 claims through that period (1989 to present) but only 4,000 had actual verifiable vaccine injuries.
No one hid the dangerous side effects of vaccines. My doctor’s office provided the literature every time my children had a vaccine. You can’t guess who is going to have the very rare side effects hence the VICP program
Also every medication out on the market can cause some serious side effects, even garden variety of aspirin. Penicillin is a huge advancement for modern science but people are allergic to it. If we took every medication off the market that someone was allergic to or had a bad reaction we would have no medications.
For all the idiots here its not the dead or weakened viruses that anti’s are concerned about. This is where the research is key. Its about all of the adjuvants that are put into the shots to “help” the body react. Things like polysorbate 80, aluminum, human diploid cells, egg culture, msg, and so on. I am not even going to mention thimerisol as that is a given. These are the issues that you sheep like fall in-liners never seem to realize. You are injecting this s**t right into the bloodstream bypassing all the bodies natural immune building responses. If you want a good perspective read Dr Russell Blaylocks papers on the effects of flouride, vaccinations, and msg on the human body, he is a neurologist who has recently come around and started doing his own research, maybe because he understands the brain. I guess you need to have one though to understand it.
Toby, you are so ignorant you don’t even deserve an answer.
vaccines work by exposing your immune system to a small amount of a disease so that your body will build the white blood cells needed to fight that particular disease. a person who is immune suppressed essentially does not have an immune system, so even that tiny amount of disease can wreak havoc. we naturally build up our immune systems when we are children by rolling around in filth and putting things in our mouths that definitely should not go there. vaccinations are just a more efficient way of building immunizations because we just take the one bit of filth we want instead of rolling in a big whole pile of it. think about the kind of people you meet-the person who is constantly slathering on hand sanitizer probably gets sick more often then the office slob. children who seem to have been born from a bog miss less school for illness then those kids whos parents are following them around with wet wipes.
Because Toby is a silly git.
Let’s do put it in perspective, if your child got cancer and the way to prevent it from killing them is chemo, a cocktail of poisons that could kill even a healthy child, wouldn’t you do it? The reactin to vaccines is much lower than the good it does. Many people from a time before vaccines wish they had a child with a reaction than one in a grave. Even when measles are not fatal, there are many lifelong side affects that are devastating. I survived them. I can tell you even with out the permenant damages, the sickness alone is something I would not wish on my worst enemy let alone an infant or pregnant mother.
You’re a freaking idiot! I hope your kid gets measles so youll understand why vaccinations exist. Even if the vaccine caused autism (which it doesnt), there is a saying we in the medical field like to use. Its called benefits out weigh risks! Your kid will not get autism from this vaccine. Now stop being a dumb a$$ and go vaccinate your kid!
I am an adult, who has lived with severe Chronic illness since childhood. I was born with a Rubella rash. I have been on 6MP for over 15 years to keep my immune system suppressed. I am currently on high dose steriods after catching the really bad flu in November. This measles outbreak scares me.
I know I got my vaccines in so at one time I had immunity. Now I can not get any live vaccines and being exposed to anything especially measles is life threatening to me. My doctors have told me to be very very careful. I am upset not just for the children who are fighting cancer or other illnesses but also for all of us living with serious challenges that now have to be sequestered from being in public.
I am offended that you would say such callous things and dismiss the right to life that we who are chronically or acutely ill. Society is ultimately judged by how it treats their most vunerable of society. Your cruel statement of dismissal towards the sick is a testament to your barbaric heart and thinking process.
If you fail to vaccinate a child and allow your child to make others sick you should be prepared to live with the consequences and proper yourself financially for wrongful death suits and massI’ve medical bills. Because that is what will happen because we should not have to pay for your stupidity.
Put this into perspective. Thousands travel to Disney every day. Of all the cases only 5 were innoculated the other 68 did not get their immunizations. Its a safe thing to say that the vast majority if not all of the thousands of exposed people each day had received their shots. Most of those whom received the disease were quarentined or hospitalized. Ill take my chances with the vaccines and gather my info from more resputable sources then snopes or the naturalmommy. My 4mo does not have a choice right now and I have to depend on the vast population to use common sense and valid info.
So by your logic, a five mile bridge is maybe 99.97% safe, so you’d rather risk it and swim in the shark infested waters. Because somehow the risk factor is the same.
Put that into perspective.
Except that it isn’t kids who are getting the disease and passing it around in the first place. No, it’s traveling ADULTS who haven’t had a booster since they were about 12 (like most of us). ADULTS traveling to other countries and bringing it back with them. Try doing a little more research first.
Why isn’t anyone talking about the illegal immigrants that probably are at the root of the outbreak???
Stop attacking the parents who have the right to not give their child these disease shots, filled with mercury and chemicals.
Disney is walking distance to Mexico. If you are an Illegal immigrant adult who sneaks into America from Mexice and who doesn’t pay taxes, they don’t have insurance and never received shots. This person then went to DL with their little Mexican-American born vaccinated child, but they are the host walking around infecting people. When is that story going to come out? Republicans should be all over this story, trying to find the ACTUAL root.
Are you serious? For your information, most of Latin-American countries have FREE vaccination for children and adults. your statement is not simply wrong and xenophobic, but shows you have no idea what you’re talking about whatsoever. Clearly you are just that kind of person that goes for the convenient explanation, the one that agrees with your own small, prejudicial line of thought. For shame!
I want to reach through the computer and punch you in your big dumb racist face.
And while I am sorry for the mother who has a sick child, my first responsibility is to my own children – not to yours.
I respectfully disagree with you. While your first responsibility is to your own children, when it comes to highly infectious and dangerous diseases, your responsibility is also to the greater community at large.You do not live in a bubble, neither do your kids.
My responsibility will never be for the “greater community at large” our responsibility will always by save just for our children and you should do the same… As in what’s best for your child not saying to give or not give vaccines… What if we looked at you and said the same thing you should sacrifice your responsibility to your child because we on this side believe the vaccines are not good for us. There are two side and you will have to just accept that!
Dear “a loving parent”, I agree with you. Your responsibility should be to your children. Now, schools, fun-arks and other such places should hold “greater community at large” before your child, and hopefully more of them will be asking for full immunization records to let your little germ bags in.
What would you do if your child became infected with the measles? Would you go to the doctors that urged you to prevent the disease in the first place?
Be prepared for wrongful death and medical bills from the kids and adults your decision causes. We should not die because you choose not to care for those in your community. If you do not care about your community, you should not participate in community life. We have rights not to get sick and face the severe complications and life threatening consequences of contracting life threatening virus.
I am an adult who is severely immune suppressed, who has lived with mutiple immune diseases since the age of 9, who needs the public to be well vaccinated to protect me. Your choice to be indifferent towards others has real life consequences. You do not have the right to destroy our lifes. You do not have the right to kill us. I speak for the children and anyone who is suppressed. Shame on you!
You are risking your child’s safety by not vaccinating. Yes the biggest spread of diseases were by traveling adults, but now they are readily available in our country. Its pricks like you that got my little cousin killed because they wern’t okay with the risks that a false study put out there.
You have so few risks with vaccinations at all, yet you want to risk it all for the hopes that your internet googling is better than medical science. From someone who lost family, go f**k yourself!
Wow. That right there is exactly what is wrong with our society.
Heidi- could not have said that better myself. While as a mother, I totally understand wanting to protect your child and my heart aches for anyone that has to go through this, I can’t even begin to understand the desperation that brings. But the logic is crazy. My child is sick, so you have to risk your child’s safety to maybe protect my sick child. Risking another child’s health/life is acceptable to you to make you feel like your child will survive longer, but it is outlandish and child abuse for a mother to not vaccinate in order to keep her child healthy and abstain from the risks? When my child is sick (which is like never) I keep her home and away from people because that is the right thing to do. In many cases, specifically Pertussis for example, the vaccine makes you a carrier. In other words (according to the CDC) the vaccine does not prevent you from getting the virus, it simply eliminates or alleviates your symptoms so you don’t even know you have it then, you take your “safe” vaccinated kid to your brand new baby nephew/cancer friends house and your kidlet gives said baby/cancer friend a great big old slobbery kiss and viola, your cancer friend now has whooping cough. Also the vaccine does not guarantee you won’t get the virus, hence why there are such high numbers of vaccinated people with the measles from Disneyland or any other “massive outbreak”, so to blame all the ills of the world on non vaccinated people when vaccinated people could also get your child sick is beyond me. and to the blogger…scientifically proven? no. financially proven to be safe by companies and government agencies that stand to profit from them? yes
I hope your not handed your child lifeless to caress in your arms one day because someone else had your point of view.
I’m in my late 60s and had both types of measles as a kid. But blood work during my first pregnancy showed I was at risk for measles. I got the shot months before I planned to become pregnant again. I knew I was at risk because I was a teacher. Thankfully I was never exposed. That same risk could exist for other expectant mothers who believe they are protected and are exposed to kids whose parent won’t get the shots. An unborn child could be at risk due to their negligence.
I’m a mom of a 6 year old with autism. And I agree with all you wrote.
There is another side to this that no one is really talking about. And that is educating people on what autism is! SO let’s say for the sake of argument that vaccinations did cause autism in like 1 out of a million kids. Heck let’s say it causes it in 1 out of 10! Just to be silly. Okay so basically people are saying they would rather risk their child dying or risk killing other kids, then to risk having a kid like mine. To them I say F-YOU! Are are an idiot! My daughter is amazing! Yes she is high functioning and some kids with autism aren’t. But high functioning or not kids with autism are still incredible human beings. My daughter is smart, capable, funny, and you’ll never meet a friendlier kid. If more of the world was like her it’d be a better place.
My point is that even if vaccinations caused autism… WHICH THEY DO NOT… it is NOT a good argument for not vaccinating your children! If you think death is less horrible then autism you are a raging idiot! I’m not at all afraid to say this either. There is no argument that will make you sound like anything more then an ignorant, selfish, and CRUEL fool who thinks Jenny McCarthy has a PhD.
Jerusha, I agree with you. I have two kids with autism. They have and will get their shots. I would rather have the challenge of my wonderful kids than see them die before me. I also don’t want to cause the death of some other person’s child.
I love you!!! This is such a great response and I am 100% with you on it! Is having an ASD child a challenge? Yep. Would we change anything about them? Nope. My son is a handful, but he’s protected against preventable diseases because he’s vaccinated. And hopefully he’ll stay that way and there won’t be mutations. And of course, do vaccines cause Autism? No, they do not.
I have an adult son with autism and this is what I have been saying. Am I happy my kid has autism? No. Not really (though I know he had it from birth). It sometimes makes me sad that I’ll never be mother of the groom or a grandmother. But it isn’t a death sentence. My kid is an awesome guy. I couldn’t imagine preferring to watch my child suffer and die than have him be the awesome dude that he is.
Yet, there are plenty of people on here saying that had the measles..the CDC wants us to believe the measles is an imminent death sentence. I know people who have had rubella as well and my little sister had Mumps before she had her MMR. All survived. Now, maybe they could figure out how to cure Lyme disease…that is a horrible disease!
Of course we’re only hearing from people who got measles and survived. We’re not exactly going to be hearing from people who didn’t survive measles now are we?
If they had a vaccine for Lyme disease, would you get it?
LOL! Sorry but that was great. 🙂
And on a serious note dying is only one fate of these diseases. My mom knew a woman who had polio as a child and still was crippled and still suffered the effects of it 30+ years later.
And what about Ebola… All the freaking out over that this year. If a vaccine came out tomorrow would people start screaming against that?
Agree I applaud you for writing this article. I couldn’t agree more. Children who are in my no suppressed and can’t take vaccines can and do catch everything from other children and its worse for them. Get your child vaccinated it protects them and everyone else. As a nurse I see these issues these people who don’t vaccinate are the same ones who turn around and sue the Dr when their child dies because and I quote. YOU DIDNT TELL ME THEY COULD DIE FROM THIS. Yes we did very thoroughly but you chose not to listen because you are smarter than the doctors and nurses who see what happens when there are outbreaks like this. Vaccines that actually prevent your child from catching these and dying. Get your children vaccinated
Get your children vaccinated
Thank you thank you thank you! As an adult who is severely autoimmune suppressed due to severe Crohns, Asthma, Celiac, Arthritis, Chronic Pyoderma Gangrenosum, Fibromyalgia/CFS, non-diabetic peritheal neuropathy, and other issues I speak for all whose very lives are threatened by this outbreak. I am still recovering from major flares related to the flu epidemic and now I am scared what this outbreak will mean for me.
I have fought a very long battle since the age of nine with mutiple hospitalizations, surgeries and more infections one could imagine. I currently take 6MP and high dose steriods to stay alive. In the past I have been on biologics/TNF inhibitors and chemo based immunosuppression.
It infuriates me that because of some uncaring ìndividuals decide to put the public in danger, if I was to catch the measles now I could die. I was born with a Rubella rash, survive Rheumatic Fever, and Scarlet fever as a child. But now my immunity is majorly compromised. Any past immunities are most likely compromised. I can not get immunizations of anykind now. If I catch the measles this year, I fully plan to sue anyone found to be responsible for the outbreak. I should not be paying for others stupidity and disregard for public safety.
Yes! Thank you! This madness has to stop. It’s like people are in the dark ages! (Except with all of this available research today, there is no excuse. At least back then they had SOME kind of excuse) A person read an internet article from somebody who read a study by somebody who extrapolated some kind of idea without FULLY and COMPLETELY understanding basic scientific principles and voila! And entire nation put at risk of another epidemic of completely controllable diseases…by people who still believe the the world is flat. Bravo. My sister has a disease and is one of those who could die from measles! Remember typhoid Mary? C’mon people. This is INSANITY!!!!
Until your grandchildren are impacted…
To the original blogger (because scrolling past over 1,000 comments would take far too long):
I love how a woman with 0 scientific knowledge quotes science. My son is six and has had N0 immunizations. He is developing much more rapidly and properly than his sibling that had the MMRII and now has a FAT bank account, approved by a federal lawyer and federal magistrate.
You don’t just assume they go around cutting large checks to kids that were absolutely fine, now do you?
So take your stupid a*s fiction combined with your stupid a*s fears and do the math.
90% chance of fkn up his life royally for about a 90% chance of MAYBE preventing one infection. You come at my child with a needle, I’m coming at you with two 9mms blazing.
Promise.
LOVE LOVE LOVED this. I’ve got a graduate degree in Public Health, focusing much of my school work on epidemiology. The misinformation regarding vaccinations out there among parents, I believe, is one of the most dangerous public health issues in America. I wish more people would speak out this way. And for the record, I vaccinate my kids, and neither of my children have immune system issues or cancer. However, my baby does have febrile seizures when she runs a fever. Yes, many will say these seizures are harmless. But have you watched your child go stiff, turn blue, and seize for minutes, wondering if they will wake up? If not, let me tell you that it is the scariest, most helpless moment of my life, one I’ve had to relive with ear infections and the flu. So please people, vaccinate your kids. It may just be a fever and a rash for some kids, but for others, that minor fever will become major.
I have cousins that had seizures with fevers! I was outside with one when she was 2. She was playing and then suddenly went very stiff. Wasn’t moving, eyes rolling back. I picked her up and ran inside crying, thank GOD her dad was home, he knew what to do.
Scariest memory to date that I would not wish on anybody.
So your point is… what?
Empathy.
Point is that because her child is sick, *your* child must be vaccinated.
Yes, Allen. I hope your kids don’t get measles because they could die. But the choice is yours.
sounds like the kids getting seizures are the ones getting vaccinated,,, your blog was bullshit and anytime you want to meet face to face ,, bring it on,,,,,, everyone is a bully on the internet,,,, I feel sorry for your kids,,,
Do you understand what commas and periods are for, Dipshit?
Why do you say that smart one? I think lots of kids get seizures, whether they are vaccinated or not! Anything can cause them, from infections for example, and a multitude of other causes. Why do you feel sorry for her kids, because they are protected from disease?
Huh?
Your ignorant. Point blank.
“You’re”. For fucks sake, sheeple, one things for gotdamn sure, vaccinations don’t f**k with grammar skills, so wtf is your problem. Can’t master 4 or 5 letter words, but you’re weighing in on biology? The f**k is that about? T
Whenever I read these comments, I lose faith in humanity. It is plain and simply a bunch of faceless bullying. I do not vaccinate. I am not evil. I just have a mind of my own. If you do vaccinate – good for you. We all love our kids. Period.
That was so nasty and uncalled for!!
I have one that has had febrile seizures. He just had one last month AT 8 YEARS OLD, because he had the flu and his fever quickly shot up to 105. It’s a horrible thing to see, I agree. That’s why we vax consistently. Hugs, I feel your pain!
So your son is vaccine injured and yet you still vaccinate him? That sounds like a very wise choice. No wonder you feel the pain.
Where does it say her child is vaccine injured?
This person is obviously a moron, don’t bother. When you handle turds, you just end up with s**t on your hands.
Uh, where in that post did Jen say that the vaccine injured her child? reading comprehension much?
She said he had the flu, not the flu shot.
Daina’s point is what caused an 8 year old to be succeptible to febrile seizures?
I honestly thought it did say flu shot. And yes I do have reading comprehension problems thank you for your astute observation of that.
So since it doesn’t say flu shot, when he had the flu did he also have the shot? As we have been told (esp this season) they do not work well and make you more susceptible to getting a strain of the flu. But yes my point was when. Was the fever seizures starting because if it started from a u that he was also vaccinated against (esp a flu he could have very possibly gotten from the very vaccine he was given) seems like a vaccine injury to me.
Said he had the FLU and fever shot up quickly which caused the seizure. Comprehend what you read much?
Exactly. Ignorance is alive and well. I feel for the kids of these drug pimping parents.
Daina, febrile seizures have no relation to vaccination. She has the child vaccinated so as to remove the chances of getting the fevers that cause the seizures. Because childhood diseases have become more uncommon than they were when i was a kid parents no longer realize they are much more dangerous than the rare and usually non-life threatening side effects the vaccines can cause.
A rash or light fever from a vaccine seems much less of a danger than life long blindness, deafness or brain damage. Vaccines have caused a few deaths per million, if that many, but Measles will kill one in every 1000 children who get it, an additional one per 1000 will get encephalitis, 20 per 1000 will get pneumonia. Both those diseases increase the mortality, especially in the very young.
Wise and civic minded parents vaccinate their children. The foolish, self absorbed and mislead do not. This may sound harsh, but it is not. It is the truth.
HPV vaccine killed 34 in ONE MONTH,, keep giving your kids these safe drugs,,and my daughter goes to a school that with a child that has gotten autism from shots,, oh wait no that can’t happen,, he was perfectly fine and healthy before the shots,, hmm must be something else,,,,cause hey we aren’t ever lied too,,,,
Dennis, thank you for a well informed and intelligent answer. I have vaccinated all three of my girls. Normal, happy, healthy kids with no problems at all…
…and for the love of God smart one please, please, PLEASE learn the difference in the use of commas and periods.
That person isn’t smart enough to grasp what you’re talking about. She feels one way, and that’s how these people are, that’s it, they’ve been given their opinion and they’ll keep it untill they die. No amount of reason or logic could change her mind. Idk, if we could convince them jesus said it, we might have a shot at getting through to them.
Dearest “Smart One” Are you sure it wasn’t the chicken they ate the night before?? I read this one “study” that said that eating chicken are related.
You’re kid had the flu? Your consistent vaccinating must have left off the flu shot. Oh, and the seizures was because the fever shot up quickly. Not because of anything to do with vaccines.
If anyone truly studied the science of disease/vaccines and immunology, nobody would get vaccinated. Even if vaccines worked, do you really trust the government (that’s the FDA and CDC ) to carry it out correctly? Apparently you ignore the science, trust the govt/”experts,” and are unaware of all the chronic conditions that we have these days…unknown cause, of course.
Dearest “Smart One” (it’s just precious by the way, to call yourself smart when you are obviously not)..are you sure it wasn’t your un-vaccinated daughter’s cooties that gave that child autism? Get a life…we’re all hoping that your whole family gets polio and dies. Survival of the fittest after all and it’s obvious that you are too stupid to live.
Sorry bout that. Rotate motrin and tylenol every 4hrs and stick him in a cool/warm bath not a cold bath. Only way to reduce a fever efficiently.So you got him the flu vaccine?? Thats prolly why he got sick. Ive never had the flu shot and ive never had the flu. Let your body “naturally” build a defense not artificially with these chemicals.
I am 30 and have a 1 1/2 year old. I suffered from febrile seizures when I was a baby and I was hospitalized due to them and the doctors/nurses gave me suppositories of acedamedaphid(Tylenol). My mom started to give me the Tylenol suppositories whenever I had a fever and I never had febrile seizures again. When I became a mother my mom recommended the Tylenol suppositories but I was skeptical and asked my doctor who told me she used them with her own son, so I bought some just in case. Tylenol no longer makes them but FeverAll makes them. The first time my son got a fever it spiked quicky and he spit up the liquid Infant Tylenol. So I talked to his doctor and asked again about thr acedamedaphid suppositories and she gave me the okay. His fever went down and he’s never had a seizure even though he has a higher probabilility of getting them bc I had them. You might want to talk to your doctor about suppositories.
Yes, seizures are an awful thing to witness. Terrifying for all involved. So you can imagine my parents’ pain and fear when I started seizing as a baby after having the pertussis vaccine (not the new DTAP). I’m allergic to the medication. The reaction to the vaccine may just be a fever and a rash for some kids, but for others, that minor fever will become major.
Agreed.
Yes the old vaccines had issues but not the new ones. I had a Tetnus Shot when I was a kid and ended up being hospitalized. That was 35 years ago. They have made leaps and bounds since. I think people are foolish not to vaccinate their children. We now have outbreaks of dangerous diseases that were irradiated.
The “new vaccines” do have issues. Have you never read the side effects that are listed? Among which includes seizure, uncontrolled vomiting, autism (yes it is listed as a side effect and they have paid out for it that’s just fact from the CDC website), oh and death. I would say that is some issues. The “out breaks” that are happening are primarily among the vaccinated, and with a mutated form of the disease.
What is your source that the outbreak is happening among the vaccinate and it is a mutated form of the disease? That has not been reported here in San Diego. A few were vaccinated, most were not. I’d be interested to know where your information comes from.
According to the cdc website, these are the side effects of the mmr:
What are the side effects?
Most children do not have any side effects from the shot. The side effects that do occur are usually very mild, such as a fever or rash. More serious side effects are rare. These may include high fever that could cause a seizure (in about 1 person out of every 3,000 who get the shot) and temporary pain and stiffness in joints (mostly in teens and adults).
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/measles/fs-parents.html
ALL of the outbreaks of measles in SD currently are from unvaccinated people.
I wouldn’t watch, read or listen to what ever place your getting your information from. The outbreak is because of children not getting vaccinated. They say it could have came from illegals. Parents that do not get their children vaccinated are irresponsible.
And the side effects are exceedingly rare. Much rarer than the side effects or mortality from the diseases being vaccinated for. But what the hell, if it is only your kids, go to town!
One thing to note, if you do a little research you will find that a lot of the side effects of these things are exactly the same from the administration of placebos. They do these things calls double blind trials, it is called science. Ever hear of it?
From the CDC website you are pretending to quote:
Is there a link between the MMR shot and autism?
No. Scientists in the United States and other countries have carefully studied the MMR shot. None has found a link between autism and the MMR shot.
Almost everything out there has a side effect. Ever looked at the side effects of an aspirin?
Side effects and complications of taking aspirin include:
Stroke caused by a burst blood vessel. While daily aspirin can help prevent a clot-related stroke, it may increase your risk of a bleeding stroke (hemorrhagic stroke).
Gastrointestinal bleeding. …
Allergic reaction. …
Ringing in the ears (tinnitus) and hearing loss.
What about the side effects of reading the comments section? I’m feeling nearly all of these reading this garbage.
Funny i have gotten side effect lists for vaccines and none of the ever listed autism as a side effect….but if your going to go in the direction of side effects what about over the counter meds that you may take or give to your kids have you ever read any of those??? Everything medication has listed side effects and possible side effects it all really depends on the person who is taking them
Hey stupid, EVERYTHING HAS A SIDE EFFECT! So your kid has an ear infe tion, strep throat, staph infection, what the hell ever. Are you going to skip giving him his antibiotics and let him die of sepsis because death, seizures, etc are listed as a side effect? No you arent. Use your F-ing brain.
Emily S, when I was a kid, my neighbor, who was 6 months old and healthy, had the same vax. Her brain started seizing continuously. She never progressed developmentally, and eventually regressed into a permanent vegetative state. She only lived into her early 20s, on a state institution. So yes, there were serious reactions beyond just a fever and a little rash.
As for the author, that study from the CDC stating that vaccines aren’t linked to autism, well that changed again a few months ago. One of the lead researchers in that study came forward and said there actually WAS a link. He was let go from his position at the CDC and the story was buried. Look it up–it’s not easy to find, but it’s out there.
It was easy to find, and if you read it and understand statistics, your statement is misleading. Correlation is not causation, and one subgroup having significant effects when all other effects are null is likely due to a type 1 error. Please stop spreading harmful misinformation when you do not understand how to interpret it.
Amen PhD. Statistics should come with a label. “Use only if you are smart enough to comprehend”
A PhD, I never said there was causation. But pro-vaxers love to rant about how anti-vaxers are all so stupid because there is obviously NO link between vaccines and autism. Well, there was a link found. A LINK. I SAID A LINK. Not causation. A link is compelling, and deserves mention.
A huge piece of important information like that would be VERY easy to find! The CDC’s job is to research and survey science-based information in order to give recommendations about things, such as immunizations, to the public. They aren’t the ones making the vaccine! They would absolutely alert the public if any vaccine was causing that serious of a reaction!
Oh, and your neighbor…when you were a kid?? How long ago was that? Vaccines and drugs in general have come leaps and bounds within just the last 10-15 years! Science and medicine change on a daily basis, for the better! You seriously need to remove your head from your a*s and get your self educated before you post such ignorant, mindless s**t!
Oh wow, smarter than who? RN. Yes, my neighbor died. I’m glad you think it’s unimportant because it was oh so long ago. I don’t see how that’s relevant. Guess what? We are told vaccines are safe. And guess what? Back in the 70s, people were told vaccines were safe. And how ignorant are you, thinking that there is no conflict of interest at the CDC? Are you really that stupid, or are you a troll? Have you ever heard of something called a pharmaceutical lobby? If vaccines are 100% safe, let me come into your office and you give my kids their shots. Before you do it though, I want you to sign a statement saying that you guarantee my kids won’t have a reaction, a serious reaction. No healthcare provider would ever sign that.
A link is either causation or correlation. Are you a statistician or have you conducted formal academic research (not google or search engine research?) It is unfortunate when negative health events correspond to vaccinations, but they are NOT causative. Absent of medical evidence ruling out all other causative factors, it is still highly unlikely that this child suffered as a result of the vaccine. Furthermore, this child would have been equally likely to have had the same reaction to another unidentified pathogen that was not related to the vaccine. It is life, and sometimes it really sucks and it’s awful for the child and the parents. I would rather not knowingly give my child, or any other, an increased chance of dying, but by not vaccinating your otherwise healthy child, that is what you are doing – putting a death sentence out there for another child who relies on the immunity of others.
Master of Science, well, you’re wrong. My neighbor died as a result of the old DPT vaccine. And if you look it up, there was a class action lawsuit. The vaccine manufacturer actually admitted fault and paid money to those involved in the class action lawsuit. And for your info, no, I am not a statistician. But I do have an advanced degree in information science and my research into vaccines has been extensive. Unlike most people, my research didn’t stop with the CDC website and the info being spoonfed by the media and the larger medical community.
When was her first seizure? Did you know that this very thing is a side effect of vaccines? I know you say you have been studying epidemiology, so surely you have read the side effects of the vaccines right?
My sister had febrile seizures BEFORE she was vaccinated. Caught measles BEFORE she was vaccinated which then caused complications (encephalitis) and as a result has frontal lobe brain damage. Every kid should be vaccinated.
Seizures are not a side effect of vaccines meaning caused by them but rather seizures can be triggered in those already susceptible to them. Febrile seizures are very common occurring in 1 out of 25 children after anything that causes fever, disease or vaccination and they would occur more frequently and be more severe from disease because of the greater immune response to fight off a pathogen, making vaccines actually protective. Epileptic seizures have many triggers including flashing lights, noises, lack of sleep, and disease. Epileptic seizures after vaccination could be coincidental but could also be due to immune response, which would be greater during disease. I have epilepsy and like most vaccinations do not trigger seizures but in the few that it does it is almost always inconsequential. I wasn’t vaccinated as a child because I had measles encephalitis at 4 months old and as a consequence I had uncontrolled severe febrile seizures leading to repeated status epilepticus. This went on until I was seven years old. My schooling was delayed a year to reduce my risk of exposure to disease laden rugrats. Disease can not only trigger seizures but it is a cause of them as well.
Seizures are a side effect of the vaccines or do not read the pamplet/hand out you are given because you blindly trust your doctors that get paid for every vaccine that they give out?
Seizures are a side effect of the vaccines, in fact it is well documented with the old pertussis vaccine. It’s also the number one thing my ped, who is very pro vax, warned me to watch out for with my son.
I would always, always choose seizures, even though they are very rare and unlikely, over measles. Measles are incredibly contagious and much more deadly than seizures. The ONLY reason so many people can go without the protection of the vaccine is because of herd immunity. However, as we are seeing, when vaccination rates drop low enough that protection vanishes and we have outbreaks. If you do not want to vaccinate your children, you also should not be allowed to attend public schools or take your children to public spaces where there are other people. Your fringe anti-science beliefs do not give you the right to spread death and destruction amongst unsuspecting innocent victims.
Daina you are wise,,but you are fighting idiots,, they hide behind degrees and believe that gives them the right to sit and judge.who do you think funds all this?The thousands and thousands of people that go to DL and they call it an outbreak to scare to sell,, to let people think it’s okay by being bully’s on these threads. Susan you statement is beyond stupid,, you were put in the hospital and you say they have made leaps and bound,, duhh no they made more money,,, and you didn’t learn,,,
please for the love of god stop being so ignorant! why are you so…stupid? Really, just stop with the ignorance and stupidity and idiot talking.
Febrile seizures, I get it they look scary, but they are very common and 1 in 25 children will have a febrile seizure but as your doctor reassured you they are almost always inconsequential and the main risk is traumatic brain injury from the fall not the seizure itself. I say this not as someone who has witnessed their child seizure but as someone who has them.
I had measles encephalitis at 4 months old; I was rushed to the hospital seizing. I was not expected to live. If I lived I was expected to be so severely disabled that my parents were told to put me in a home. After several weeks in hospital I recovered enough to go home.
As a consequence of measles encephalitis I had uncontrolled severe febrile seizures leading to repeated status epilepticus. Status seizures are rare, occurring in less than 1% of seizures. They are defined as continuous or repeated seizures for over 15 minutes but people like me , with brain injuries or anomolies, average over an hour. These are the dangerous life threatening seizures but despite this with timely modern medical care hypoxic brain damage or death is very rare occurring in less than 1 in 1 million status seizures. Despite having dozens of status seizures I have no hypoxic brain damage and this is the norm.
I currently have epilepsy. My seizures stopped when I was about 7 or 8 and I was taken off medication. My seizures returned in my mid twenties but were just simple uncomplicated seizures not the status seizures of my childhood. My then 9 year old daughter and her friend were alone with me and witnessed my first seizure and had to call an ambulance. There was some confusion with the emergency operator as the kids were saying I’d been shocked, while she heard shot, (I’d been hooking up the new TV). Finally the operator understood asking if I’d been electrocuted and my daughter responded” we’re only 9 years old; that’s too big of a word.”. Acknowledging how scared they felt at the time, my daughter was quickly able to laugh about it. I hope I can get you to this stage. There is a lot of stigma against seizures and epilepsy and holding on to unnecessary fear about it only adds to it. Febrile seizures, without a brain injury/anomaly, are not indicative of later epilepsy and most seizures, febrile or epileptic, are not something to be feared. My seizures today are completely controlled with medication and I can drive, have baths and live alone; but even if they weren’t at worst they would be an inconvenience.
Ever think maybe the problems your child has are due to the vaccines? Have you seen the stats on how Amish children (who never receive vaccinations) don’t have autism and other health problems that are rampant for the rest of the population? The sciences are being proven wrong about things frequently. They are mortals who can and do make mistakes.
So please tell me. If it isn’t the thermerisol in vaccines that’s causing autism, then what is it that is causing an almost epidemic of this terrible malady? And please don’t give me the tired old argument that “we can better identify it now.” I work with the autistic and anyone who can’t identify it isn’t paying attention.
Bet more kids die of immune disorders today than died of measles before MMR came along.
BTW, did anyone bother to read the link provided by Anastasia?
Yeah… you’re wrong on both accounts. (1) Most Amish do in fact vaccinate. (2) The Amish do have autism.
Also, autism covers aspergers. A lot of people WITH aspergers don’t know they have it. It’s not that easy to diagnose, and better diagnosis can hugely explain the increase in autism rates. Note that autism rates vary substantially by state — the vaccines rates do not vary that much.
Also, okay, let’s suppose the rates of autism have truly increased. Why on earth would you say it’s due to vaccines? A TON of studies have failed to find a connection. And if autism were really liked to vaccines, then they would. Why not blame something else? Isn’t that much more reasonable?
And if autism were really linked to vaccines (which they AREN’T) would you really rather your kid be free of a social development disorder and catch a potentially life-ending disease? Really? I’ll choose the autism over death. Thanks.
109,000+ cases of measles since 1992 in England & Wales, zero children have died. Potentially life-ending disease? Getting out of bed is potentially life-ending. “I’ll choose autism” said no parent of any child with autism ever.
“A TON of studies have failed to find a connection. And if autism were really liked to vaccines, then they would.”
Define “TON” first of all, then address how many of those studies compare rates of autism between fully vaccinated and fully unvaccinated kids (make sure to look up the definition of the word fully before you answer this). The answer you’re going to reach is “none of them”. Given no studies have compared autism rates between those two groups, how can they ever find a connection when they’re not looking?
Since I can’t reply to your comment above I need to reply to it here. Your above statement that no parent of an autistic child would say they choose autism over a disease. I am the parent of an autistic teenager and I would choose autism each and every time over measles, mumps, etc. in fact when I had my second child 3 years after the ASD diagnosis, I still chose to vaccinate. So, yes, I don’t hesitate to choose autism.
That stuff about the Amish is quoted but not true. Many Amish vaccinate although not all. There are autistic kids in the Amish community. The big difference is the Amish don’t sue. They don’t sue over autism. They don’t sue if a child dies from measles. They keep things private. To outsiders, it appears they have no problems because they are very private.
Hmm… did you ever notice the Amish are a community that sticks to themselves? I mean I’ve not traveled thru any major airport and been surrounded by Amish individuals. I would guess unless santa and his 8 flying reindeer is flying them from coast to coast they are not fans of air travel, with all its modern moving part’s. I agree that those less involved in mainstream will probably have much lower risk. I feel if people had to be financially responsible for the risks they take with others lives there would be less of this mentality. Drug companies get sued if something goes wrong and doesn’t turn out the way they intended. However the parents who opt not to vaccinate take not only their child’s health and life into their hands, but then others when they send their kid to school, airports, malls, Disney, etc. If the choice they made hurt someone else’s child or god forbid killed a child should they not be held to the same financial consequences for their choices as these drug companies they complain about. Double standard??
Actually drug companies can’t be sued for vaccine (un)safety or for vaccine injuries. They are financially shielded from even paying into the vaccine injury fund. Your $3 surcharge you pay every time you get a vaccine funds that. Look it up.
It’s interesting you mentioned the amish not having cases of autism. Have you ever thought about maybe it is not the fact that they do not get vaccinated, but their lifestyle in general? Look at all the chemicals and pesticides in our food they do not have. I could see that being more of a factor considering our food is not studied as much as vaccines safety wise. Read Skinny b***h and do some research. It is a big eye opener.
Mercury in vaccinations can cause seizures. Need to read up on how mercury impacts the brain in high doses before talking so confidently about how this doesn’t play a role in your child’s seizures.
http://www.c-span.org/video/?309672-1/federal-response-rise-autism-rates
Yes, yes, YES – thank you for being brave enough to say this. Hunker down for the shitstorm to follow!!!
I have a child with autism. He is also alive. The second bit trumps the first. Autism is no joke, don’t get me wrong, but I have friends who have actually had their kids die and every time I think how hard my life is, I remember how hard theirs is.
Really well said. So much respect.
Very well said! It’s sad that anti-vaxers make Autism to be such an awful thing and that the world doesn’t need another autistic person! Autism or not you should treat people with respect. All children are special and special needs children make my heart swell with love even more when they come in my office. I do not hesitate to take a little extra with any patient that needs it.
I have a vaccine injured child. If only my pediatrician had been honest and told me she did not vaccinate her own children because of her belief that it causes autism. I so appreciate the special care you give your special needs patients. Would you be willing to babysit my son for the next 70 years? I’m overwhelmed.
Yea then you could have left your child not vaccinated and made potentially hundreds of other children sick, deaf, or even dead. Not your child, not your problem, though eh? I’m sorry a vaccine affected your child the way it did, but that outcome is one in literally hundreds of millions. It is still the safe bet, still the more responsible decision, to vaccinate your kids.
The risk of a vaccine injury is MUCH higher than acquiring the disease itself.
In many cases the ones that get these diseases are already vaccinated. They get a mutated form because of the vaccine. Also in many countries like England vaccines are just a suggestion not a requirement and people are not just epidemicly hit by diseases and all dying. But because the U.S. has a law that no one can sue the drug companies, doctors, or anyone else if their child is hurt it’s ok to push it, falsify “facts”, and punish even people that don’t vaccinate. Everyone is so determined that autism is not caused by vaccines, well then why is it listed as a side effect in the paperwork, and why did the vaccine court pay out millions of dollars last year to children that was proven vaccines caused their autism.
The two people responding with bullshit about vaccine injury being a higher risk than the disease are f*****g idiots. There is a mountain of evidence to the contrary. These people are gullible as hell and incapable of reading a basic scientific journal article. They just spout the same, stupid, paranoid, tired tropes from the ever evolving anti vaccination crowd. The kind of people who they they gain a doctorate by having a child pass out of their v****a. Get over yourselves and talk to a real doctor you conspiracy theorist nut jobs.
”may” ”potentially” … these are the words that are causing everyone to scurry around in a panic. No one would ever get into their car in drive if they applied this same logic to car accident statistics. So why the freakout over this? especially since car crash fatalities are way higher than actually having complications and then dying from of any of these diseases. Look it up on the cdc… yes there are people who have had complications from these illnesses but if you can think of all the ways one could ”potentially” die on this earth, this freakout over vaccination is really laughable.
So, youretelling this poor mother that despite her vaccine injured child, she should be glad, because now other children were protected? Youre one cruel b***h. Only in a sci fi movie and in communism have I ever heard the saying that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one. You wouldnt be talking so much S**T if that was your child. Heartless, cold, cruel b***h! Your childs injury is acceptable because others are now not exposed. You are one hell of a piece of work.
So basically you are saying her child didn’t matter…she should suffer the consequences in the hopes that somebody else’s child wouldn’t have to. That’s awesome :-)!!!!! We should all think this way and we could all get along. Let all agree to damage our own children in the hopes that it might save someone else’s child yay!!!
Daina they actually are definitely still having outbreaks of these diseases in the UK, and people are definitely dying. Most parents get the shots anyway because it is the right thing to do, not because they are ‘required’ to. They’re not ‘mandatory’ here in the US either, nobody is forcing you to enroll your children in public school. You might be interested to know that they actually give shots to kids IN public schools in England, and the parents have to choose to opt out, not in. They just recently went around giving 4 year olds the flu shot.
I still do not understand the inability of people to get into other people’s shoes. The numbers of deaths from the measles today is equivalent to the number of deaths from vaccines. In my experience from the people I read about online, the numbers come up about the same. This is still, and should be, a parent’s choice. People should better protect themselves with healthier diets than depend on a one-size fits all vaccine program. It makes no sense to me that we expose such tender ages to so much toxicity before the age of 5. If I had my way, I would keep my children up to five yrs. old close to home not exposing them to the public as much, nor making the public feel afraid of my children because they were not vaccinated. I would love to homeschool, but the world seems to demand that you take your kid to the school system since you are already paying for it making it difficult to afford an alternative. I do not like government dictating everything you do in life. It is not natural, and it resembles more and more the dystopian worlds we see in the movies like “V for Vendetta”. The day the government starts forcing vaccines and scrutinizing all of our personal life choices penalizing us if we are not fitting in with the “good citizen” crowd is the day I will find an island. Freedom!
Thank you for your being the voice of reason. Good for you and even better for everyone else!
I agree with this 1000%.
I loved you before, but I love you do much more now. THANK YOU!
And by do I mean so. Stupid auto correct and me not proof reading.
http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/m/mmr_ii/mmr_ii_pi.pdf Please read adverse reactions starting on page 6. I have my children vaccinated, however, I wish I would have done more research prior to vaccinating them. This is the insert for the MMR vaccine… the doctors do not give you this to read prior to vaccinating… they are not giving you all the info for each vaccine that they force on your children. I’m not saying you should or should not vaccinate but you should at least have the info before you decide.
I’m sorry but most if not all of these adverse reactions happened to 1% of the people it was administered to. If you read those on ANY medicine (not just for kids) they are usually scary enough for you to not want to take them. Doctors wouldn’t prescribe the medicines or vaccines if they weren’t safe for over 90% of the population. Now I didn’t look up any statistics so you can make of this what you will.
The 1% that you claim is not correct, and the number os bigger, and it only consists of the reported cases, and most cases are hidden and said to be not from vaccine, when they are. Why do you think vaccines have their separate courts system? They pay the parents of children injured by the vaccines in return for their silence. So yes, your numbers are off.
Please tell me where you’re getting this information from. I constantly hear from people against vaccinating that the number of children injured from vaccinations is higher than reported but there is NEVER any actual facts or links to back up that claim. Nearly every drug available is going to have a small risk of side effects, that is inherent to taking medications. Want some facts? Read the (scientific) studies showing the rates of measles, mumps, and rubella going up drastically over the last several years, and being centered around the areas of highest vaccination denials.
The fact that they can’t back anything they say up is just part of the insanity. Its all a big conspiracy to them. They might as well admit they also believe in chem trails and alien landings. These people don’t need evidence, when they have their half educated ideas as to how business and medicine work. Complete nutjob conspiracy theorists, nothing more.
Just Google VAERS and do a simple search.
All I know 100% is my experience. My child was injured (NOT Autism. ITP, look it up.) and not one of the many doctors reported my case. I didn’t sue anyone, etc. I’ve met many people who have been through the same thing, so certainly vaccine injuries are higher than reported.
Aislestylist you I believe. ITP is a known rare measles vaccine reaction.
Rarely, ITP occurs within 6 weeks after immunization with MMR or MMRV vaccine. In most children, post-immunization thrombocytopenia resolves within three months without serious complications. In individuals who experienced ITP with the first dose of MMR or MMRV, serologic status may be evaluated to determine whether an additional dose of vaccine is needed. The potential risk to benefit ratio should be carefully evaluated before considering vaccination in such cases.
It is a concern because of the bleeding risks, it should be noted that measles infections have a greater risk of ITP.
As a general rule, besides allergic reaction to a vaccine component and local swelling at the injection site, vaccines can only cause the same reactions as the disease can since weakened or inactivated germs or germ parts are mostly what vaccines are. If the vaccine causes it then the disease causes it more often and more severely.
It’s Hard to link Facebook articles that you skim on your news feed about how horrible vaccines are. Plus all the cool kids say they are bad SOOO…
Separate court system? What on earth are you talking about?
OMG you should have to have a brain before you’re allowed to join the conversation. For the uneducated: In 1986 (National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act) laws were passed and more recently in 2011 confirmed that the makers of vaccines will not be held liable for vaccine injuries and cannot be sued. You can not sue the drug companies if a vaccine harms your child. Instead, all of you lovelies who line up unquestioningly to get your shot pay a surcharge to fund the fund to pay out to those parents who can prove the vaccine injured their child. I would continue but really if you didn’t even know that most basic info, there’s nothing I can do here.
What if My child becomes that 1%? 1% is not so insignificant when your child is part of it. I could really care less if anyone elses children catch anything. My obligation isn’t to protect anyone else’s kid but my own. For my family and our lifestyle, we decided vaccines were unnecessary.
“My obligation isn’t to protect anyone else’s kid but my own.”
This statement sums up the anti-vax movement perfectly and embodies the selfishness of the worst of our American values.
Can you hear me shrugging my shoulders? Call it what you want.
Selfishness seems like a poor way to describe the problem. People who do not vaccinate put their own kids at greater risk, AND their stupidity puts other kids at risk as well. It is like a scientologist who wrecks the minivan into a kindergarten trying to get away from thetans. Dumb and destructive all at the same time.
Seriously? So let me get this straight your kid is more important then all the others in the world. Yeah whatever. I have 5 and I may love them more then any other but I will never teach them they are more important in the world then anyone else NEVER!!! I pray you never have to pay the ultimate consequence for your decision and even more no one else who your kid is around has to as well!
My kid is absolutely the only relevant and important kid in my world. Just like you probably feel the same way about yours. I’m not teaching my kids that they are more important than anyone else. I’m teaching them that their family are the only people who matter in the end.
Again, NO. Anti-vaxxers kids are not all that important to them at all. If they cared about their kids they would vaccinate. Their self-righteousness and feeling of control are more important than their kids, other peoples’ kids and really anything else you could care to name.
LOL! Dr’s prescribe medicine because the drug companies give them trips to the Bahama’s for pushing their drugs! Just watch how many drug reps are coming and going at the Dr’s office. There is always time for them, but the patients are rushed through like cattle.
Clearly you dont work for a doctor’s office or you would know the facts instead of just pretending to. I ACTUALLY work for a doctor’s office. Yes, we do have reps. Yes they do try to get the doctor’s to prescribe their drugs, but the extent of their “bribes” is feeding us free lunch. And guess what, we still prescribe the generic over their brand! Our docs dont get free vacations, they dont earn anything extra for prescribing, and they arent given brand new cars. Know the facts before you open your ignorant mouth. Obviously it happens sometimes with shitty docs who are only in it for the money, but the whole reason we go into the healthcare field is because we love people and have compassion and hate to see people sick. Do you really think I would wipe your grandmothers poopy a*s, give her a bed bath, or feed her because she had a stroke and can’t do it herself if I didn’t? No, I can assure you I wouldn’t. Stop being so stupid. And if you can’t do that, then home school your kid because they shouldn’t be allowed in public schools if they are a threat to everyone else’s kid. Selfishness doesn’t look good on anyone.
It’s unfortunate that your dr didn’t offer this info before vaccinations. My pediatrician gives me the paperwork at the start of every appointment and then actually gives me the time to read through, and then verifies that I do in fact want the vaccination. I believe every good dr should do this.
Your doctor gives you THIS…THIS is NOT an insert! It even says if you want more info to ask for an insert because….THIS ISN’T AN INSERT.
http://www.immunize.org/vis/ipv-00.pdf
“Ask your doctor. They can give you the vaccine package insert or suggest other sources of information.”
Have you ever asked your doctor for an insert? No, you haven’t…because you thought THIS was an insert.
I actually ask for the actual insert each time. I also ask for the batch number, vaccine manufacturer and any other identifying information for the particular shot my child is getting. That information goes into their medical file. Please don’t assume that those of us who vaccinate have not done our research. We are not “sheep” and we don’t blindly follow either our doctors or the CDC. (or any of the other names that pro-vaccine parents are being called on this thread)
I respect your decision to choose not to vaccinate your child. I will not call you names. However, I do disagree with you. And, my research demonstrates to me, that your choice is putting my child at risk. Therefor, while I will refrain from calling you names, I will ask that you refrain from going out in public, attending public schools, or holding jobs that interact with the public.
I’ll ask for those things nicely, because I can’t force you to do anything. But, I will also be demanding that my legislators start changing laws immediately to prevent your choices from hurting, or killing, my child.
Anti-vaxers will not change their opinion. But, the rest of us have the right to demand that laws change so that the risk they pose is minimized.
If vaccines work, and your child is vaccinated how will unvaccinated people (yes people because many adults are not up to date either) putting your child at risk?
Also you constantly come in contact with unvaccinated and never know it because people don’t wear a sign telling anyone. So remember next time you’re at the store and the cashier hands you your change or receipt they probably aren’t up to date. And the postman that leaves your mail, they probably aren’t up to date either. Nursery workers, teachers, bankers, food cooks, should I keep going?
Children who are not vaccinated are not the only ones that “can be carriers” but if they are carrying its probably because they are sick, and like any reasonable person would stay home, and get well. Yet while your vaccinated child sheds live viruses and diseases from the vaccines my children (which are actually auto immune compromised) should actually be asking you to stay out of school, church, public, and such.
CJ are there some steps I can take to do the same. I’m very nervous my children will be attending school with others that are not vaccinated. Would love to take a stand to make a change. Our poor neighbor, a little girl has cancer. She unfortunately can’t get vaccinated. My heart brakes for them that this is just one more worry on their long list. Too many people reading into silly Facebook articles. Something needs to change. If I can’t stop you from putting my child and others in danger I will try and fight so the law will.
Explain how your vaccinated child is in danger from an unvaccinated child. He or she should be protected by all the vaccines, antibiotics, and wonderful technology, right? Just hang in there, all us unvaxed will die off from measles, etc. soon…not. We have innate immune systems that are more advanced and complex than any fricking man made vax or intervention…you da’s.
You know what people as parents its our choice to vaccinate or not and i really dont think any of us have the right to belittle anyone for their choice. I choose to vaccinate my child never had any issues my sister vaccinates with no issued as does the rest of my family i have friends who have kids who have seizures or autism but were born that way diagnosed pre vaccine so to say that vaccines cause these issues is a pile of s**t…i vaccinate its my choice and if you or anyone else has an issue with it i suggest you kiss my a*s, untill you spend the time in school and get a phd you have no right to attempt to “educate” others on the crap you read on the internet like most of these pages and sites say “information should not be a replacement for actual medical advise”
Yea 1%, and the chance of getting any of the MMR diseases is FAR less then 1%…so I’ll take my chance on my child getting the measles the brain swelling….,ever notice he statistic that more educated people vaccinate less….hmmm
Yes, but that very low probability of getting any of the MMR diseases is entirely conditional on the percentage of the population that is vaccinated against MMR diseases. It’s called “herd immunity” – you can afford to skip the vaccine if everyone else has already had it. As the number of people electing to avoid vaccination increases, the probability of contracting these diseases will also increase. Measles, in particular, is highly contagious. If a high enough proportion of the population isn’t vaccinated, the likelihood of catching Measles can skyrocket.
YES!
Please provide an APA format paper on how vaccinations have prevented a history of diseases? There has never been any evidence proving that vaccinations actual prevent disease.
The chance of getting measles is rising all the time. The chance of getting measles has only been low in recent decades because of vaccination. How about you educate yourself just a little more thoroughly.
Please provide an APA format paper on how vaccinations have prevented a history of diseases? There has never been any evidence proving that vaccinations actual prevent disease. – GET THE FACTS about not vaccinations verse how vaccinations are being preserved. No the difference….And the number of vaccinations and especially during infant stages. How, why, and what is important for getting the information straight.
http://www.c-span.org/video/?309672-1/federal-response-rise-autism-rates
You are such an ignorant a-hole. Seriously. I actually hate people like you. Herd immunity. Surprised you’ve never heard about it since you’re so highly educated.
^ no kidding.
Are you up to date on your booster shots?
Really? So the richest man in america and his wife…. are all for vaccines. They are very well educated people. And they also advocate for people to vaccinate. Your argument is invalid.
Melinda Gates (Bill Gates’ wife)
“We take vaccines so for granted in the United States,” Gates told the Huffington Post in a prerecorded interview published on Thursday. “Women in the developing world know the power of [vaccines]. They will walk 10 kilometers in the heat with their child and line up to get a vaccine, because they have seen death. [Americans have] forgotten what measles deaths look like.”
That’s because the measles caused death less than 1% of the time. It’s never been a “deadly” disease in this country since proper sanitation was introduced. Third world countries are malnourished and do not have adequate sanitation, their death rates are not comparable. Look up the death rates yourself on CDC. And complication rates. Then search VAERS for adverse reactions to MMR. I think you’ll be surprised if you can do the math required.
Hey smartass. Bill gates and his wife support vaccines because he stated it is like ‘natural selection’ meaning vaccines actually help with population control!! Ya big dummy. He was supporting it as a means to limit the amount of ppl on earth which ultimately affects the climate Eco system etc. so yes the Gates support it but as a means to KILL. Smh. YouTube bill gates speech on this. He says it with his own dumb moth. Jesus ppl WAKE UP!! Or don’t. Lol. Maybe he’s right. Some if you fools don’t deserve to continue the DNA
Yeah, because you are obviously more educated then the “general” population. Learn proper grammar.
Ooh, snap. I think you’re implying that if she learns proper grammar, THEN she will be better equipped to make a valid argument THAN you?
The risks from the vaccine is far lower than 1%; it is less than 1 in 1 million, 0.00001% risk of permanent harm and is in fact so low that none can be shown to be causally related to vaccination.
Until measles is eradicated world wide or unless you completely isolate yourself your risk of catching measles is near 100% especially in areas with low vaccination rates. People try to do a false calculation using the low number of cases with the entire population but most of the population is immune. Over 90% of those exposed to measles who are not immune become sick so what is your risk of being exposed to measles. Remember you have the risk of being exposed continuously.
Why are you”Vaxers” concerned???? If your child is vaccinated he is SAFE, right? He can’t get sick from my child who is not vaccinated. That means all the un-vaccinated children should kill each other off with their rampant diseases nes pas?. But if your child is vaccinated he/she will be safe, so all is well and you can go back to your dens and leave the “non-vaxers” alone!!!
I notice those who push vaccinating also have the foulest mouths (or fingers in this case). Wonder if that’s a side effect of vaccines?
No Vaxers are not concerned for their vaccinated children, they are concerned for the children that are too young to have their shots, or are undergoing cancer treatment, or have immune disorders, who ARE at risk from your unvaccinated child.
Lol at “foul mouths” very true..
You want to know why?
1) Although they are very effective, vaccines are not 100% effective. One does not know whether the vaccine worked until it’s too late unless testing is done and it usually is not.
2) Some “Vaxer” children are not vaccinated. Those under 12 months of age and those with serious illness cannot be vaccinated.
3) “Vaxers” don’t want any children to die, not even the “non-vaxer” children. Children who have not gotten vaccinated have been safe in recent history due to herd immunity. That herd immunity is disappearing due to low vaccination rates. “Vaxers” get frustrated and angry when preventable injury and death occurs. When “non-vaxers” talk about the various reasons they will not vaccinate, it usually boils down to “I want the protection and benefit of vaccines without assuming any of the risk.” That protection is now going away because too many people feel that way.
Hahahahahaha that is the funniest thing I have read on here! Thanks for pointing that out! I wanted to read all the comments but keep thinking I should put it away because of the foul mouthed people on here.
Depends where you take them. Hang out in the poorer corners of Bangladesh, or a Waldorf school in Orange County, and you have a far, far greater chance of taking home a vaccine-preventable illness.
Let’s talk India. They have a lot of poor areas with no sanitation. They went Polio free within three years of taking the polio vaccination with no advancements towards sanitary practices in their country
There are worse adverse reactions from GETTING MEASLES!!! And based on percentiles, your child has a higher risk of getting measles than having an adverse reaction.
Where is the like button. I hate when people say they can have a reaction and have problems. But getting the measles can permanently disfigured and kill you, or other kids. It is the other kids I’m helping when I vaccine kids. I can’t be vaccinated I was the 1% that had a reaction and lived. So I fear for my life every winter. Thank you for not vacating your kids I might die and leave my kids with out a mom.
Incorrect, according to the CDC, you child has a 1 in 1,000,000,000 of getting an adverse reaction from a vaccine. Yet they have a 1 in 6,000,000,0000 chance of getting the measles. That’s 6 times the infection rate. Here are just some of the adverse reactions to the MMR. They are seizures, permanent brain damage, blood disorders, neurological disorders, immune disorders, and arthritis. According to the CDC there has not been a death to measles since 2003. So I’ll take my chances with a illness that consists of a rash and bad cold, over a permanent disability any day.
Right now the risk of getting measles is small only because most people are vaccinated. It is easy for you to take that risk since you are relying on the people who do get vaccinated As the vaccination rate goes down the measles rate will become alarming. The CDC says: “In the decade before the measles vaccination program began, an estimated 3–4 million persons in the United States were infected each year, of whom 400–500 died, 48,000 were hospitalized, and another 1,000 developed chronic disability from measles encephalitis. Widespread use of measles vaccine has led to a greater than 99% reduction in measles cases in the United States compared with the pre-vaccine era. The virus is highly contagious and can spread rapidly in areas where vaccination is not widespread. It is estimated that in 2006 there were 242,000 measles deaths worldwide—that equals about 663 deaths every day or 27 deaths every hour. If vaccinations were stopped, measles cases would return to pre-vaccine levels and hundreds of people would die from measles-related illnesses.”
That “decade” before the vaccines was also before clean running water, hygiene, health care, the environment was more favorable for diseases in general… The vaccines came online about 6 years AFTER the diseases where already in decline.. So it’s questionable at the very least that the vaccines are the only reason for improvement…
Try doing some research BEFORE making your decision. Measles consists of a hell of a lot more then “rash and bad cold”. http://www.livestrong.com/article/40925-side-effects-measles/
Thomas, the “decade before the vaccine” would be 1950, I wasn’t alive in that era but I’m pretty sure my parent’s had clean water, good hygiene, decent health care and so forth. The vaccine was not made until the 1960s, the polio vaccine was not made until the 1950s, so blaming the disease on poor living conditions and such is not a relevant point.
1 in 6 billion chance of getting measles? Ummm…. noooo…. There is a 1 in 1 million chance of a serious adverse reaction to MMR. You need to look at the statistics of getting measles for an unvaccinated population, not from the population as a whole, because your odds of getting measles as a vaccinated person is exponentially less than as an unvaccinated person.
Per the World Health Organization, there where 145,700 DEATHS from measles in 2013 world-wide. Even on the CDC site they say since 2008 there where 9 deaths from measles in France alone. Perhaps you should go read the CDC site again. If your basing your decision to allow Polio into your life on your “stats”…your quoted statistics do not match the CDC nor reality.
I would post direct links but most forums refuse to allow that, so just go to the CDC site and search for “measles mortality death” and make sure you unckeck the EID box. The very first result, first paragraph, second to last sentence: “During 2000–2008, global measles mortality declined by 78%, from an estimated 733,000 deaths in 2000 to 164,000 in 2008”
So…164,000 is NOT zero.
One in six billion? The world’s population is about six billion. Are you saying only one person has gotten the measles?
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My children’s doctor absolutely gives us this info before immunizing. They have a read and sign for all immunizations and then send us home with additional information . If your doctors aren’t giving you this info maybe you should ask for it or switch doctors.
Your doctor gives you THIS…THIS is NOT an insert! It even says if you want more info to ask for an insert because….THIS ISN’T AN INSERT.
http://www.immunize.org/vis/ipv-00.pdf
“Ask your doctor. They can give you the vaccine package insert or suggest other sources of information.”
Have you ever asked your doctor for an insert? No, you haven’t…because you thought THIS was an insert.
That’s right, say it like it is, the misled population of sheep-mom’s who’d rather not do any of their own research, is getting mislead qnd angry, that’s the media’s goal.)
Yes Mila, YES! Wake up people!!!!! Do you really trust the CDC? Common now it’s time to start thinking for ourselves. Unfortunately we are living in a time when everything is run by profit. Who do you think are the ones creating these vaccines? The pharmaceutical companies! Do you really think they give two shits about our health. All they care about is the money. They are the ones submitting these “scientific data” to the CDC and it’s just laughable. It’s actually really frustrating as a parent to young kids these days because it’s damned if you do, damned if you don’t. But I’m not going to inject my kid with toxins that “might” provent all these diseases. How about we all focus on our diet and creating a really healthy immune systems and stop living a fear based lifestyle created by the ones in power
So every doctor, and most research scientists are in a secrete plan to hurt children. Neat story, but it could a use a dragon or two. Nut job conspiracy theorist morons, go make friends with a real doctor or research scientist and grow up. There is no secret plan, there is no conspiracy. Just you and a lot of stupidity and fear. If you really wanted to argue against medical opinion perhaps one of you window lickers could go back to school. Nah that would take effort, anti vaxxers are lazy, and would rather believe an insane conspiracy theory, like chem trails, rather than admit they don’t understand the science.
Before vaccinations – http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/plague
After vaccination use – a safe country for losers like you to risk
I apologize, but I’m getting a little incensed over “James M. Barber” and his repeated comparisons of parents who choose to make a LEGAL decision regarding their children’s health and safety and conspiracy theorists. He sounds like a kool-aid drinking nutjob who would probably believe that drinking a gallon of Roundup pesticide is perfectly safe because the government allows it to be sprayed on our food. Follow the money, do your own research and above all, think CRITICALLY. “Lazy” are the people who blindly, without research or due diligence follow “the herd” without asking questions and educating themselves. Oh and guess what James… this is LIFE, none of us are getting out of here alive, whether vaccinated or not.
Any GOOD physician is going to give you all the facts, including all handouts on the vaccines, ours does. If we have questions or concerns we talk about them with the physician. ALL medicines have these ‘scary’ reactions, they occur in a tiny subset of the population. We choose to take the risk that our child will be part of the 99% of the population that has no adverse reaction. There is a reason physicians spend so long in school, they have the training, the education and the facts.
Pretty sure legally they HAVE to give you the VIS before the vaccine! At least we do in my profession!!
Your doctor gives you THIS…THIS is NOT an insert! It even says if you want more info to ask for an insert because….THIS ISN’T AN INSERT.
http://www.immunize.org/vis/ipv-00.pdf
“Ask your doctor. They can give you the vaccine package insert or suggest other sources of information.”
Have you ever asked your doctor for an insert? No, of course not…because you thought THIS was an insert.
Wow I’m getting tired of reading this response over and over! I’m a Certified Pharmacy Technician and have access to (and have read) all of those package inserts. No, not just the handout the Dr gives and you’d have to be an idiot to think that a flat, single sheet of paper is a package insert for ANY drug. Guess what? Most of the antibiotics, cold remedies, allergy medications, breathing treatments, etc. that you give your kids when they actually contract a disease that could have been prevented carry those same warnings and statistics. If you read the package insert for every medication you’d never give your kid amoxicillin or Claritin. And no, the print-out the pharmacy gives you on the back of your RX label is not the package insert, but apparently, you think it is.
Yeah… I actually *don’t* give my kid OTC drugs, either, so that’s kindof a moot point…
Uugggh please post this every chance you get!!!!
Yeah I agree with D… usually parents who avoid vaccinations also avoid unnecessary medications as well. It’s the same parents who are paralyzed in fear over things like the measles.. which isn’t the plague that they are making it out to be… that also run to the doctor for every little sniffle demanding drugs.
Do you know the side effects of drinking too much water? Nausea, vomiting, dizziness, confusion, hyponatremia (low sodium in blood, which can result in muscle weakness or spasms, seizures, unconsciousness, coma and even death). Sounds dangerous. Maybe you should stop drinking it.
Just lol’d to this. Nice 🙂
Not to mention the mercury content!!
So true! Thanks for that! EVERYTHING has side effects. As parents we have to rely on science and history to help us make our decisions. I’m thinking the odds are on my side and I’m willing to take that chance with my 4 kids. I can’t protect them from everything. I can’t know what they will be allergic to before they are exposed to it. I can only trust science and my gut.
I think what’s sad about this comment is that it spells out exactly what is wrong with a “one size fits all” vaccination policy on infants and very young children. Their doctor (and clearly, their own mothers) doesn’t take the time to make sure that the baby can handle what is being injected into their tiny, fragile systems. I’m not completely anti-vax for any reason, any time. But this “shoot ’em up with 48 shots before they turn 12 or whatever crazy number it is now” is mind-boggling. Can’t we give these kids a minute to develop their immune systems, confirm that they are healthy enough to receive a shot and then administer them, slowly over a long period of time?
If a child’s immune system isn’t developed enough to get vaccinations by the age of 12, it probably never will be! They don’t get the injections all at once! 0-14 years is plenty of time to spread out 48 shots.
LOL. So true. That’s awesome. Down with water!!!
Especially in parts of the country who put large of amounts of fluoride to cause brain damage over a period of time. Yes, get point Lisslo…There are many Americans’ aware of this very subject and will not drink tap water because of this very same issue. So, we can continue to argue the amounts of mercury in each shot as either an isolated situation when 1 out of 66 children have autism, and not including the others with mental delays like bi-polar and attention disorders. I think it is reasonable to say, it is okay to continue to ignore the concerns about mercury being used to preserve vaccinations while being manufactured in Inda…To boot. I think it is safe to gamble more lives over keeping vaccinations just the way they are with no change what so ever. We clear on why now? Why so many people will not vaccinate until these changes are addressed. Please review the evidence of how mercury in high doses and especially in infants will cause Neurological disorder: Autism, ADD, ADHD, Bi-polar, and seizures…etc.
Please provide an APA format paper on how vaccinations have prevented a history of diseases? There has never been any evidence proving that vaccinations actual prevent disease. – GET THE FACTS about not vaccinations verse how vaccinations are being preserved. No the difference….And the number of vaccinations and especially during infant stages. How, why, and what is important for getting the information straight.
http://www.c-span.org/video/?309672-1/federal-response-rise-autism-rates
You know what though? I don’t need to read the d**n insert. The most important thing I learned in college was how very STUPID I am about SO VERY MUCH. I’m not going to watch a YouTube video about an internal combustion engine and then attempt to fix my car. I won’t read a blog post about electrical engineering and then attempt to wire my house. Because a PhD in Google doesn’t come close to the wealth of information found in a doctor and the scientific community. All I need to know is the risk of complications from the diseases is tremendously greater than the risk of reactions to the vaccine.
“Because a PhD in Google doesn’t come close to the wealth of information found in a doctor and the scientific community.”
I thought it was worth repeating.
Yes! That & trust in the scientists & doctors more than people like Jenny McCarthy. Sorry, I think Jenny McCarthy can be hilarious, but I choose to turn to the scientists & doctors when making a choice about my kid’s health. And I don’t need to read the inserts to know what the scientists have found & what the doctors recommend.
FYI–scientists and doctors get their information from same/similar sources. It’s not necessarily their fault, if they’re unaware, but it is the evil behind the source. Many med schools have been funded originally by Rockefeller money; that’s right the oil guy…and also interestingly enough the same guy who founded American cancer society. Money, greed, motive. Antivaxers have no real motive.
As a Ph.D. kind of doctor it pains me to defend the intellectual integrity of MD’s in general, but I should point out that modern medical practice does sometimes base its practices on a reasonable facsimile of the scientific method. In fact epidemiologists are some of my favorite kinds of MD, knowing as they do how to use statistics without hurting themselves. You can use statistics and the scientific method to ask things like whether vaccines cause autism, or fevers or failure to use the turn signal later in life, and the answers are no, rarely and maybe.
Nobody talking about inserts has mentioned that it is less a medical document than a legal document. The pharmaceutical company is required to include every incident that happened during trials, regardless of whether the medicine being tested was the cause. Therefore, if you walked into a wall and bruised your forehead, they are required to include forehead bruising in the reported adverse affects. Now, that being said, a doctor or nurse that doesn’t want to give you the insert when asked needs to be confronted. There’s no reason not to give it to you. Just don’t assume you have the education in medicine and familiarity with clinical trials to have perspective on what you are reading.
“There’s no reason not to give it to you.”
There is actually a reason. It’s called the nocebo effect. Basically, you’re more likely to experience adverse side effects if you believe you are likely to experience adverse side effects. This reality puts medical professionals in a tough position, because they are both ethically obligated to inform you of all risks…but informing you increases your risks.
Well I believe you said it yourself…. because of how very stupid you are, you choose to ignore your right to make a fully informed decision. That’s pretty much the definition of sheeple… trust those educated docs so you don’t have to think for yourself. Ask one of those doctors what he/she was taught in college about nutrition…. absolutely nothing. But that’s okay because OBVIOUSLY eating healthy has nothing to do with a strong immune system! Sometimes I think vaccines have completely eradicated common sense…. after all, we have to give them credit for eradicating something right? If you seriously trust every D**k and Jane who holds a diploma I can’t imagine the field day investment bankers would have with you….
Smh… ur so wrong. My brother said they have 3 pages dedicated to vitamins & nutrition, lol. After all since the textbooks are completely funded by drug companies why would they put that a solution is found in natural sources? These people are so ridiculous. Idiocracy, anyone?
Have you bothered to read about the side effects of Measles, Mumps and Rubella? Oh wait, you did starting on page 6. For those who do not have an intact immune system, they get the infection from the vaccine so they are at risk for all the possible complications of all 3 components of the MMR vaccine. BUT if your child has a healhty immune system, the likelihood of those complications are infintesimally small. However, if the unimmunized child gets the disease, the risk of those complications are WAY higher. Risk of death by measles is 1 in 500. That does not include the 1/1000 who get meningitis and recover but are brain damaged for the rest of their life. The tide will turn when someone who is provaccination has some tragic outcome because their child got measles from someone who used Jenny McCarthy as their medical advisor and sues the living s**t out of them.
In my 15 years of pediatric practice, I have NEVER seen a single serious complication. They do exist but are RARE. Yet no one who chooses not to vaccinate has ever been able to tell me what they are risking by NOT vaccinating. This is my newest favorite website because it does tell you. It is a bit heavy on statistics and medical info for the lay person, but this is the s**t that makes me wonder how anyone could possibly consider NOT giving the vaccine:
http://immunizationinfo.com/diseases-prevented-by-vaccines/measles/
For other reliable information:
http://www.vaccineinformation.org/
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/
http://vec.chop.edu/service/vaccine-education-center/
If it were up to me, everyone who refused information would have to take a test on the complications of the disease and if they did not pass, they could not refuse. All the parents whose children suffer complications utter the same tragic phrase: “I did not know this could happen to us”. And it just kills me because the information is there and that side of the story is not told enough.
ERRATUM: last paragraph first line should say “refused vaccination” not “refused information”. They don’t refuse it, They just don’t always read it.
This explains the insert. They are a legal document not an explanation of the expected side effects.
http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/vaccine-package-inserts-debunking-myths/
The risk of permanent harm from any vaccine on the current routine schedule is less than 1 in 1 million and is in fact so low that none can be shown to be causally related to vaccination. Contrast that to the risks of a wild measles infection where 10-30% are hospitalized, 1 in 20 have some form of permanent harm (vision or hearing loss, lung scarring, brain damage and more) and 1-3 in 1000 are deadly despite modern medical care.
Oh, hey! If you do CTRL-F and search for “autism” there is literally not one single instance of the word in the entire section. Imagine that.
Yes! Anyone read this info? Bet you can’t comprehend it without looking up a few words and when you do, do you really want fetal bovine viruses and virus pool ingredients and recombitant human albumin, among other things sorbitol, which are screened for the absence of adventitious substances, which the screening methods are still being perfected in your child/ baby?
They do double blind studies, yes, but they only study one ingredient/ shot at a time. That’s how it gets approved by the powers that be. They don’t test them all together nor do they inform you of this little fact.
How could anyone be well informed before thus she of smart phones and being able to research everything right away?
Anytime you have to get an injection for yourself or your child, always ask for the insert. They have it, and they have to supply you with it by law. Not just a consent firm, get the insert and read it.
Well, if you care enough to do so. Then make your own decision.
Thank you for writing what I have been thinking. I feel on this subject I need an anger management class. It pisses me off that those asshats risk the lives of other kids as they stand on their soapbox.
Love it and support you fully! I have a child with sensory issues and a child without. Both are fully vaccinated! Vaccines do not cause autism. If they did I’d have 2 kids with sensory issues! I don’t! Wakefield made that stuff up! He admitted to making it up and no longer can practice medicine. Please do not play “Russian Roulette” with your children and other children who cannot be vaccinated.
This!!! My older cousin, who is 45 has autism, and was never vaccinated. How would Jenny McCarthy and Wakefield explain that>
Answer is in his health history. Or in his parents. There can be other causes besides vaccines, you do realize that, right?
What is with the excuse——my kid can’t get vaxed? Paul Offit, M.D. (huge pro-vaxer) said we could each receive 10,000 shots no problem, they’re complete safe! So, don’t give me that crap about allergic or immunocompromised. Shift the paradigm–don’t hamper the immune system, build it up. If your kid is weak, then you need to isolate them; not make everyone else in the world get unlimited shots! Sorry, it’s survival of the fittest, and smartest, not survival of the most vaccinated, antibiotic absorbing, Lipitor loving, self-induced diabetic morons.
Great post, my sentiments exactly. Get the word out
Amen, sister! Those who choose to believe Jenny McCarthy over solid scientific research need to take their unvaccinated kids and go live on some island somewhere far far away so their stupidity doesn’t harm others.
That’s the problem, it’s not solid. Quit blindly trusting the “experts” that are tied to govt and pharma. Look at independent studies and people with no motive. No motive.
anti vaxxers began looooooong before Jenny McCarthy.
Can I get an AMEN?!
Thank you. So much. Maybe, just maybe… a few of those “on the fencers” will listen.
I was an on the fencer. So, I talked to my pediatrician, a very smart lady who I trusted, because guess what? I’d done my research. I knew her degree came from a strong, accredited university. I’d spent time talking to her and knew that we had similar parenting philosophies. I’d asked her questions and gotten straight-up answers. We didn’t always agree 100% but I knew she was as passionate about keeping my kids healthy as I am. So, when she said “This vaccine is necessary for the future health and safety of your children”, I had no problem believing her. She was very straightforward about the potential risks, and offered me more information if I wanted it.
Maybe it’s time we started using our critical thinking skills, and discerned between Someone With an Actual Degree, and Jenny Mccarthy.
Yeah. I went there, too. Somebody has to.
Love you baby sideburns. thanks for this. As an epidemiologist working in public health we need more people standing up for science.
Love it!!
Totally awesome! I agree! I believe in personal choice, but when your personal choice is potentially putting other people at risk, not cool.
Tara – I appreciate your point here. However, I would suggest that you consider switching doctors if yours are not sharing this information with you prior to vaccinations. My pediatrician provides me with the adverse reaction data during the appointment before the vaccinations are given. So, at the 4 month appointment, we get the information sheets to read over prior to the 6 month appointment. That gives us 2 months to research and review all adverse reaction possibilities. If you can’t switch doctors, I’d suggest you request this from yours.
Mine too!! They not only provide the information , they provide me with a vaccination schedule in advance so that if I disagree in any way we may make arrangements that I am more comfortable with!
AMEN Sista!! I am a nurse and nobody can say it as good as you can. Thank you!!
Way to go!!! I totally agree!
Finally!! Thank you for writing this so much! If I hear another person site their research for not vaccinating their children has come from some stay at home mom who HAS NO MEDICAL DEGREE I am going to scream!!! Thanks for sticking up for the rest of us moms who are constantly referred to as “uninformed” about this issue. Why is it that the non vaccinating parents automatically assume that us vaccinating parents did no research!
Thank you!
My kid is one of those who can’t get vaccinated because she has an autoimmune disease and she has to take immunosuppressive drugs. I also have a three month old who is too young for the shot. With two kids at risk and confirmed cases in our community I am afraid to take my kids out of the house!
Just curious, all those here who are FOR vaccines do know that Europe, Japan, etc. don’t recommend what USA does and that we are ranked #72 in the world as far as healthy countries go. We, well our unfortunate govt, spend $2 trillion per year on healthcare… that’s #1 in spending btw. One more thing to chew on (among many), Cancer and deaths due to medical mistakes are the highest on the list now…hmmm, why? $$$$, pink ribbons, poor science, wrong paradigm.
I love you more than I ever thought I could at this moment!!
Fabulous post! Ignorant and self righteous people p**s me off. Do you read “The Onion”? Check out this post about vaccines. It’s hilarious! http://www.theonion.com/articles/i-dont-vaccinate-my-child-because-its-my-right-to,37839/
AMEN! Why people listen to Playboy bunnies rather than trained physicians for medical advise is beyond me. Diseases that were irradicated are now circulating again. Generations before had no choice but to deal with these deadly diseases. We have the choice & I don’t understand why anyone would choose to take the risk with so many deadly diseases.
If something is eradicated, that means it’s gone forever. Clearly those diseases were not eradicated, since SOMEONE got them and spread them to someone else. Smallpox is eradicated. The one and only disease that has been, so there’s an instance when vaccination can do that. But maybe check out what “vaccinations” they originally started giving out for that disease which consisted of cutting your arm open and dragging a contaminated string through it. More people died from infected wounds than were saved from that great “public health” campaign.
But my kid did have an adverse reaction to her first set of vaccines, and I choose to defend my choice not to try again and “see what happens”. How does that make me a self-righteous person? Actually, yes, it does. I have rights, and I’m exercising them, my SELF. I’m not telling you what’s right for your kid, and I’m also not a big fan of Disney Land. So congratulations on not having a problem with vaccines, I do, and I think this blog post was fairly annoying.
You are not understanding the point. You have reason not to vaccinate, adverse reactions happen with ALL meds (cough, cold, tylenol) The issue is with healthy kids with NO perceivable chance to have a reactone not vaccinated.
Actually, Measles was eradicated in the UNITED STATES. Since you don’t like Disneyland (which is crazy, in my opinion) you might not know that people go there from all over the world. Someone brought it from outside the US. Since the MMR vaccine has over a 90% success rate only a few people contracted. If no one vaccinated, it would have been most of the people there. Measles is one of the most contagious diseases out there. It travels in the air (no contact required) and can linger in a space even after the sick person has it. If you haven’t vaccinated your chances of contracting it are over 90%. I am sorry that your child had a reaction, that must have been scary. But instead of being bitter that people love vaccines, you should be grateful that the majority of people are protecting your unvaccinated child from getting them. You should be thanking everyone for helping protect your child with the hard choice you had to make.
Wrong, there hasn’t been a single year in which no measles cases were reported in the United States. If you believe 100 cases is “eradicated” then you need a dictionary.
sarah you need to shut up,, you are ignorant in every thing you say. People like you scare me, because I didn’t realize how stupid some of you really are. I am glad you love vaccines, I wish you would have some more,, perhaps the HVP virus would be a good one for you. Oh wait am I bitter too? Golly gee I believe I will survive,, eh!!
HPV. You must be an english teacher to know so much and write with such coherence.
“More people died from infected wounds than were saved from that great public health campaign”
Citation needed. Early vaccinations weren’t as safe as ones today and early small pox ones could be especially unsanitary and they did kill some however they saved far more else people wouldn’t have gotten them. But what does vaccination techniques from over a century ago have to do with today’s highly effective and exceedingly safe vaccines especially since we no longer vaccinate against small pox because it was eradicated. Small pox is not the only disease eradicated by vaccines; we have also eradicated rhinderpest, a measles like disease in cattle. Polio is nearing eradication. Measles and rubella are also targeted for eradication. Vaccinate people so we don’t have to vaccinate any more.
Vaccines do not use live viruses to infect people. And your kid having an itchy spot on their arm or whatever other “reaction” you perceived to have occurred is b.s.
Tell me, I’ve never heard from my family or any family that our grandparents or their grandparents or great, great gps died off from all of these terrible, awful, scary buggies. The only one ever mentioned was polio injuries, mostly from the vaccine, and since it is supposed to be eradicated, they simply rename the disease aseptic meningitis. You do understand that the powerful AMA and CDC and FDA do this, right? Because if they don’t, the entire medical profession would crumble, in turn our economy.
Because playboy bunnies aren’t making money from the pharmeucetical industry…. drs on the other hand… it’s like politics and lobbyists, hand in hand for the love of $. I should say, however, that there are more and more drs and scientists who are removing the BS from their spectacles and speaking out. Although you probably won’t hear about many of them thanks to the uber biased media.
I believe the reason why parents are not vaccinating their children is because they did not live in the era when these diseases were rampant. I am a firm believer in vaccination, both of my kids have all of their shots. What we have to remember is we have open borders now. A lot of the people moving here do not have vaccinations and are from countries where these diseases still exist. So, they are bringing them here. ( Just to be clear- I am not saying anything bad about immigration!) Which is opening up diseases and viruses we have not seen in the U.S. for years! It is our responsibility as good citizens to keep up herd immunity! Especially for the kids that want to get vaccinated, but can’t due to cancer, allergies, etc! That is part of living in a society, sometimes you have to put the society first!! If you are not a vaccinating parent, then you are saying that you are your children are too good for the society in which you live! My answer to that would be, you should move!!! That way you would not be endangering the rest of us good citizens!
In case you are curious, here is a link to a website that shows vaccination rates for measles in other countries around the world. http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SH.IMM.MEAS/countries It is interesting to note that most countries in North America have the same if not better rates of vaccination (in this case, for measles) than the United States. The countries with low rates are mostly African countries, and people there go to extreme measures to try to get those shots. This is not an issue of open borders. This is an issue of a large, first-world country, the United States, having citizens who scoff in the face of technology and advancement because they think they know better than experts. That’s just arrogant and ignorant.
What’s ignorant is you ignore the ingredients, you ignore the fact that Africans die because of malnutrition and poor sanitation, you ignore the amazing God-given immune system, you ignore the sanctity of human blood, you ignore the state of our society’s health, you ignore the fact that mistakes can be made.
Did you smoke cigarettes decades ago because doctors on TV commercials said smoking was healthy? That happened, are you to young to know, or just plain ______
I ignored the fact that you said “interesting to note…” Most countries in North America have better rates than USA…how many countries do you think there are sweety?
There are 23 countries in North America, plus dozen of possessions and territories, honey.
Out of those countries, only Mexico (89%), Haiti (65%), the Dominican Republic (79%), Guatemala (85%), Honduras (89%) and Barbados (90%) had lower vaccination rates for measles than the US (91%) in 2013. Mexico, Honduras, and Guatemala were all higher than that in 2012, 99%, 93%, and 93%, respectively. So I stand by my statement that most of the countries in North America (16 out of 22) have higher vaccination rates than the United States, and therefore there is not a large threat of non-vaccinated immigrants coming into the United States from other countries in North America.
Truth!
I was speaking to the fact that the prior poster was concerned that immigrants were bringing these diseases across our open borders. I was merely stating that if we’re talking North American immigrants, most of those are already immunized by the time they immigrate here. I’m not sure why you decided to go off on other tangents that were unrelated to what I posted. And yes, Africans die of poor nutrition and sanitation. They also are surviving at higher rates than before because of vaccinations.
So, pray tell, what happens when your “God-given immune system” fails and you fall ill with one of these diseases, like measles, mumps, whooping cough, polio, etc. Are you going to just ride it out at home and see what happens, or are you going to consult a medical professional?
We better all take magic shots to keep us all safe than…Mute issue of why vaccinations are important, but how they are being manufactured and preserved. It is less than 1% under age 2 to likely for measles to cause death. Most people get the measles regardless of the vaccination…So what is your point? It is better to risk how the vaccinations are being preserved in mercury to increase the number of mental health of issues worldwide. Some countries have stopped vaccinations until they understand more of what is causing these numbers to increase.
A+ for doing your research on how many countries vaccinate, but this isn’t actually why people are not vaccinating their children.
Please provide an APA format paper on how vaccinations have prevented a history of diseases? There has never been any evidence proving that vaccinations actual prevent disease. – GET THE FACTS about not vaccinations verse how vaccinations are being preserved. No the difference….And the number of vaccinations and especially during infant stages. How, why, and what is important for getting the information straight.
http://www.c-span.org/video/?309672-1/federal-response-rise-autism-rates
I completely agree with you! There is so much evidence that proves the immunizations are safe. What always boggles my mind is the whole reason for creating these immunizations. How many children suffered and died because of measles, polio, chicken pox, etc, etc before these immunizations where created! There was obviously a need for a solution. How many parents “back in the day” would have loved to have the medical system we have today. How many parents kept multiple lockets of hair to remember their babies who passed. too many! I am so very happy we live in todays modern society with advanced medicine. I do not feel as if the medical system is trying to hurt my child by inoculating them against something that ravaged the innocent and tore families apart.
Can you share a link to a double blind placebo controlled study showing that vaccination is safe and/or effective? I’m curious. I’ve never been able to find such a study, nor has any MD I’ve asked, or anyone else for that matter. TIA!
here is one for the flu vaccine: http://journals.lww.com/pidj/Abstract/2006/07000/A_Randomized,_Double_Blind_Study_of_the_Safety,.5.aspx
As for the MMR:
http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199505113321904 (this was just for kids allergic to eggs)
Here is one just in order to ELIMATE the disease dated 1994:
http://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJM199411243312101
You do realize the steps drugs go through in order to be APPROVED for use include double blind studies and clinical trials?? The Doctors and scientists have to way the benefits of the risks and for DECADES we have been on the winning side of this disease because of these people. They know and are still improving the systems. For example, Thimerisol (mercurcy containing agent that USED to be in the drug) has been removed from all vaccines dating back to 2001. There are still flu shots with it, but guess what?! You can request a version without it if you have the allergy.
This is about the community, not just you. The community needs us to remain vaccinated for the sake of those that can’t.
PS, it took me 5 minutes to find 3 vaccination double blind studies. I’m sure I can find more if given a few more minutes. Whoa is me with a PhD.
Find a study comparing overall health outcomes between fully vaccinated and fully unvaccinated. (look up the word fully if you’re about to respond by referencing KIGGS)
I can request a shot without Mercury?…….Nahhhh, give me the one with poison!!!
It’s really hard for me not to say mean things to you ______s. So I’ll just correct your spelling, thimerosal.
Because you will inevitably be the recipient of harsh and unwarranted backlash for writing this post, I want to take the time to say THANK YOU A THOUSAND TIMES for going for it and speaking out in favor of vaccinations!!! My daughter is only 3 months old and just started to get her vaccinations last month, but it already scares the hell out of me to think that there might be kids she comes in contact with who haven’t gotten their vaccines. We are how lucky to live in a country where the majority of the time your health insurance PAYS for the entire bill when your kid goes to the doctor and gets their shots?!? Parents in third-world countries would kill for that kind of good fortune to be their every-day standard.
Amen!!!
Thank goodness you went there!!!! My child was is sensitive to the medium in which the vaccine is delivered…I opted to go through the trouble of giving him the shot over the course of THREE HOURS…a teeny tiny bit at a time. He is now a healthy, protected 19 year old.
Vaccinate? Um YES, of course.
Amen! I taught for many years at a preschool for children with special needs. Many of these students were medically fragile and could not be vaccinated for various reasons. There is also the sad reality that vaccinations do not work for everyone. Many of the people infected at Disneyland had been vaccinated. We all count on a robust vaccination program so that the possible exposure to these potentially deadly diseases is minimal or nonexistent. Healthy people who choose not to vaccinate put all at risk.
More proscience parents like you need to speak up. A bunch of us have had enough of the spread of medical misinformation and we’ve banded together. Check out Voices for Vaccines a non-profit organization dedicated to educating parents and communities about the importance of vaccinating.
http://www.voicesforvaccines.org
That’s awesome Melody! It’s a little scary speaking up knowing that a lot of people are going to get angry at you. Voices for Vaccines looks awesome.
Guess what??!!! EVERY SINGLE medication, drug, vaccine has an adverse reactions sheet! Have you seen the risk sheet for Tylenol or a simple cough syrup? Probably not, but they exist. I used to work in a dispensary, and the pharmacists all agree that if aspirin were a new drug on the market today, it would be available only on prescription. My doctor told me that those “Adverse Reaction Sheets” exist not just to keep you supposedly “informed” but more so as a disclaimer because in the US, drug companies can be sued for every minor, non-associated symptom that some money greedy parent thinks their kid has because they were given the drug/vaccine. As my doctor tells me, “Do the benefits outweigh the risks??” And if the risk is brain damage or death, I say “Yes they do!!”. And it’s not just your kids who are at risk if someone has measles or mumps, I’m at risk too. Because I had an allergic reaction when I was an infant to the vaccine and now I have to walk around unvaccinated and hope that all you people have your kids vaccinated. My son has been fully vaccinated, even against chicken pox. When I asked my doctor jokingly why anyone would need that vaccine, he told me he has a young patient who is now blind because of contracting chicken pox and another that developed swelling of the brain. Say no more, vaccinate my child please!
People cannot sue manufacturers of vaccines. It’s the law. FYI
Love this! Thanks so much. You rock!
Thank you!
Thank you thank you!! There is still common sense in this world!
Thank you, Karen. You are brave and articulate and just d**n cool. Know that your sisters-from-other-mothers are standing behind you when the anti-vaccers fire back. <3
If you’re going to tell other parents to vaccinate their children, I hope to god that you have been tested to ensure that it isn’t YOU who is spreading the disease. Every adult that I know (including myself and my husband) who has been tested has not had an immunity to measles and needed to get a booster themselves.
My husband and I both got the booster when we were in the hospital after having our first baby.
Most people are very unaware that vaccines don’t last forever. I’m glad that you are, but I wish piece of information would be included when every complains about unvaccinated children. Because it isn’t just children…..
I’m fabulously blessed to have both an incredible pediatrician (who goes through the reaction sheet and schedule with me in advance) and an OB who stays on top of adult boosters. I had a Tdap in 2011, and am getting a booster in a couple of weeks. Pertussis is spreading fairly quickly among adults who are unaware that their immunity may have worn off. As for the MMR, you can can be checked with a quick blood test to see if you still have immunity. Bottom line? We all need to do our part for public health – get educated, talk to your doctor(s) and stop listening to Jay Cutler and Jenny McCarthy!
Good to know. I will ask my doctor. Still 100% for vaccines even though I bawl my eyes out when I have to get a shot
Just a thought. If most adults had lost their immunity, Disneyland would have hundreds to thousands of cases rather than just the tens of kids who had irresponsible parents. Measles is that contagious.
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!! :::: Standing ovation::::::
As a mom to 2 boys on the Autism spectrum, it PAINS me to see the people banging the drum about some “link” between autism and vaccines. That *Doctor* was and is a fraud. He is still feeding off desperate parents seeking answers, any answers, as to why their child has autism. Measles and Whopping Cough are BACK because of this crap! Here’s something interesting…. We are friends with a family that has 4 children, all on the autism spectrum. After the first 2 these parents decided not to vaccinate the next 2 (because that was the height of the autism/vaccine BS) The younger 2 are STILL on the spectrum despite NOT being vaccinated. In fact the older 2 ~vaccinated~ are mild and high functioning, and the younger 2 ~not vaccinated~ are moderate/low functioning. Fascinating right?
I am furious that people are choosing not to vaccinate their children. Not because of a serious health issue, but because of some whispering, conspiracy, nut job theory. Oh, and thanks to these people…. I might have to go and get a shot now to cover myself. Fantastic! >:(
Yes – I know a family that are similar. Eldest is vacc and asd, second part vacc and asd, further two completely unvacc and asd. She is still however convinced it is the vacc.
I know a family with four kids the older three got vaccinate and have autism. Her youngest child is the only one that doesn’t have it. She did get this child vaccinate but later then what is recommended. I’ll start by saying my kids are vaccinated and I believe in vaccination. However, I think if everyone could take a step back and relax. Why does it have to be so extreme? People are either on way one side extreme or the other. I don’t think things will ever be solved that way. Why not start raising money to research this farther. Maybe there is a gene or something in SOME children that if they get the shot it could cause autism……why not study it and keep studying it until we find some answers. I thought maybe the mom I knew could tell someone about her experience, why aren’t we taking a closer look at this families that have been mentioned? I know we won’t get far in understanding until we can all clam down and not see in such extremes.
My first child actually got a mild case of the measles when he had his first MMR. That did not stop me from fully vaccinating him and his younger brother. I think it’s highly irresponsible to not vaccinate your child. However, I am not going to lecture you if that is what you choose. Most pediatricians around me do not accept new patients who refuse to vaccinate
Thank you for being brave and posting this. I guess if you are rich and have a big chest, (Jenny McArthy), what you say is more believable than some nerdy scientist. I just shake my head at these parents who believe celebrities and probably don’t read “real” studies. There are actually doctors that have put up signs in their offices that say “If you are not going to get your child vaccinated, we are not going to be able to meet your medical needs.” Yay, them!
Big time <3 this, and you! Right know the comments are pretty much friendly towards you, but I know at some point that will turn. I just wanted to take a moment and say that I agree wholeheartedly with EVERYTHING you just said!!
So so so love this! You have hit right on where i think most parents feel. And i read through some of the comments and i totally agree if your pediatrician isnt giving you enough info in your opinion ask for more or switch. We are the only ones who are willing to fight and protect our children. But what we do with our kids effects someone elses. If you send your sick kid to school you are exposing other kids to what your kid has. Thats unfair.
LOVE, LOVE, LOVE THIS!!! There is a reason for years and years these diseases have been at bay. Now because people have stopped vaccinating their kids, these life threatening diseases are making a come back. I understand wanting to protect your kids(would do anything to keep my kiddos safe), but you also have to think about all the others you are putting at risk.
Standing Ovation for this post!
Isn’t it wonderful that we live in a country where we are free to choose our path. Mothers are smart. Choice is hard. The alternative is harder.
Be well.
Not really in this case. Their choice to not vaccinate puts others in danger. Could possibly even kill some.
So you and your family will get every vaccine that is in the pipeline? They are coming out with some doozies. Get all your boosters too! Oh, wait…you know that one hepatitis vaccine they give newborns is to protect against disease that only IV drug users and promiscuous people get, right? Wow, that’s some family you got there!!!!
As long as the people who choose to put their own kids in danger keep the little vectors at home and away from public places then I agree 100%. Bring them within shouting range of normal families and the parent is being both irresponsible (their choice!) and recklessly endangering others.
Nice Job! I had not really thought of the ramifications of not vaccinating your kids.
You must be really angry at the Federal government for letting thousands of children into the US from third world countries without being checked for diseases.
Actually, all US immigrants receive a required medical exam upon entering the country and must demonstrate proof of vaccination against:
Mumps
Measles
Rubella
Polio
Tetanus and diphtheria
Pertussis
Haemophilus influenzae type B (Hib)
Hepatitis A
Hepatitis B
Rotavirus
Meningococcal disease
Varicella
Pneumococcal disease
Seasonal influenza
http://www.cdc.gov/immigrantrefugeehealth/laws-regs/vaccination-immigration/revised-vaccination-immigration-faq.html#newcriteria
What about those that come to the US without going through immigration? Those are the ones to be concerned about. Measles was eradicated in the US at one time. Measles has not been eradicated around the world.
Mexico’s vaccination rate is actually quite good. So more than likely the illegal aliens crossing the border are immunized as well. (And possibly helping improve our herd immunity.) http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/mexico_statistics.html
Not really as many of them get vaccinated soon after they arive and many countries already have a program in place.
You took the words right out of my mouth!
I couldn’t agree more. You scared the sh*t out of me with that cancer threat though… Very effective marketing!
Loved you before, but love you more now!! I have debated vaccines with parents for years. I have done my own research of studies from all over the world (thankfully I got college credit for this too so double win for me)!!! On top of all of that my son does experience autism and I still stand behind vaccines!!! He has been vaccinated for everything under the sun. This past year I had a friend who lost her 4-year-old daughter to something that she was vaccinated against, but some other kid was not and passed it onto her. I now watch daily how my friends aches for her child to be with her and how she has had to handle that she did protect her child against everything and it still didn’t work. So people get with it, the report that stated MMR causes autism WAS A FRAUD!!! Wake up and get real, you are not only helping your child, but you are helping your niece, nephew, neighbor’s child, best friend’s child, and your children’s best friends!!!
There are several reasons why you are my favorite mommy blogger, but this post is one of your most AWESOME!
I did my research on vaccinations and talked with my Dr. We agreed upon a delayed vaccine schedule. I didn’t agree with giving my baby 4 shots at a time. My rule was no more than two vaccines at a time, and only one live virus at a time. We were in the Dr. Office monthly but everyone was ok with that. I was fortunate that I was able to dedicate the time to go and make it happen and that we had the insurance who would play along.
Do those not getting vaccinated take over-the-counter meds? Like Advil, Tylenol? Because I’m pretty sure people have died from taking those too. Every TV commercial advertising any medication always lists all the horrible side effects, it doesn’t stop people from taking them. Plus, I’m sure I read somewhere that looking at a computer/phone/TV screen can give you a brain tumor and make you blind, yet here we all are reading this:)
Wow. You’re pretty ignorant if you believe that people don’t vaccinate because we think it causes autism.
Then justify your excuse, if you’re not vaccinating for one of the reasons she mentioned.
Thank you for writing about this. I am a researcher who studies measles and watched as it killed children in sub-Saharan Africa over the last several years. Vaccination is critical to prevent that from happening here at the levels it occurs there.
Coming from a mom that gave her healthy 1 1/2 year old the MMR vacchine and he lost his hearing 3 months later (yes, the CDC website does now confirm that the MMR vaccine can indeed lead to deafness), I still gave my 5 year old son the MMR vaccine. I delayed him until he was 5 years old, but I still gave it to him. The risk of getting measles far outweighed the possible risk. We will not be giving him the booster, but he received the first one, which is the most important. I am all for vaccinations – as long as I can unbundle them as much as possible and space them all out. I am grateful for a Pediatrician that works with me.
I’m glad you shared this. However, I think that there are more concerns with immunizations that people realize. A little over a year ago I became one of those moms who’s children were exposed to unvaccinated children. I have to admit that I wasn’t concerned at all. These children are almost always healthy except for the occasional cold or earache. The the unthinkable happened. My children, the un-vaccinated children and another child all had a field trip together. We noticed that she had a cough that seemed pretty bad. Her mom kept explaining it away saying that she had been sick and this was a residual thing. I was uneasy because my daughter has sever asthma and when she gets sicks, she scares the heck out of me. Well a few days later, we noticed a few of the kids clearing their throats and complaining of a tickle. Then t happened. Six children under one roof with whooping cough all thanks to a little girl who had been vaccinated and somehow got it anyway. My son coughed until he was near the point of passing out. I watched him turn shades of blue and purple that no human should ever turn. No one should ever have to fight to breathe and once you hear your child gasping for air like that you will never forget it. I began searching the internet for home remedies to help relieve the cough and low and behold I stumbled across the CDC website. I was shocked at what I read. More children who have been vaccinated have whooping cough then those who have not been. I called the Dr and they said we had to wait it out. I researched and found some home remedies that really helped and my daughter was fortunate to have a very mild case of it. My poor son however, was not so lucky. It lasted for months. This began in October and went clear into the next year. In December both of my children we diagnosed with pneumonia, which is very common after whooping cough. Here’s the real confusing part to me. Both of my children are vaccinated. Yet they somehow managed to get things that they shouldn’t have. Did I mention that I also got whooping cough? Oh yea, I am vaccinated and get vaccinated regularly because I’m a CNA. How is this possible? The information that I came across about the vaccines is very scary. My sister in laws best friend was directly affected by vaccines when her daughter had a set of seizures and is not permanently brain damaged following vaccines. Her family sued and won!!!! They proved without a shadow of a doubt that the vaccines caused their child harm. A couple weeks ago a friend of mine reached out asking for prayers for her 1 year old nephew. He had recently had shots, and became symptomatic. He developed a fever, loss of appetite, fussiness and bam a seizure that put him in the hospital for a week. Again my children are vaccinated, and we have been lucky to have no last effects, but it does happen. The vaccines are dangerous and if you research how they were developed and changed because of their toxicity it’s very scary. They have been diluted so much so that most of them no longer work or wear off after a couple years. That was why my vaccinated children were able to get sick. I went to a private school for a few years and vaccines were required. I remember a friend of mine missing time for measles. What’s even weirder is that when my son had his chicken pox vaccine, he developed shingles. I kid you not, My then 4 year old had shingles in the arm that he was given the vaccine. His Dr said he didn’t even know that was possible. There is so much that we don’t know, that I think it’s a tough call.
You should buy a lottery ticket or something. How odd that one person has so many stories of adverse effect within such a small circle of friends and family.
The pertussis vaccine—acellular pertussis—is one of the weakest of the modern vaccines, with a “success” rate that’s only about 80%. The original whooping cough vaccine was stronger but had a chance of developing whooping cough itself from the shot, which is why they moved to the weaker acellular version. It wears off in roughly a decade, which is why they encourage people who are going to be around kids to get a booster. It’s also a scheduled vaccine for pregnant women in their third trimester, in the hopes that extra immunity will be passed along to their infants.
In terms of immune response, it’s very likely a genetic similarity which explains why your whole family got it. Three of the four people I know who have gotten pertussis are related, though their cases were decades apart. They’re also from a family with hereditary asthma—the other case I know *developed* asthma from lung scarring.
It’s important to track your own family health issues, of course. But if you *can* get the shots, you should… because otherwise it’s just like gaps in a fence. (P.S. You can get your immunities checked through a blood draw. I know someone for whom the measles vaccine doesn’t take, and she has an infant daughter right now. And there’s a possible measles case in our town. Scary stuff.)
I’m sorry for what you went through. But you are absolutely right that vaccinated people can and do get the diseases they are vaccinated against more often than the unvaccinated.
Thank you for sharing this. I do vaccinate my children, but I try to unbundle and space them out a reasonable amount. I have very reserved confidence in governmental research agencies, their motivations and influence do not look at the individual, but at the whole and at the money. They’re weighing a cost/benefit analysis on all their decisions too. Kids under 2 are recommended so many vaccines and some are hardly relevant until they’re older or traveling abroad. I believe this is motivated by the fact that people take their babies into the doctor regularly for the developmental checkups and not as much as they get older, so the chances are greater for more kids to receive all vaccinations if done at a younger age. I think both sides should take a real look at independent research. It’s not easy to find, but it’s out there. Copy-paste from the CDC website just makes my eyes gloss over. I’m not a paranoid conspiracy person, but I also don’t have unquestioning trust in the government to have my kids’ best interest in mind all the time (hello FDA). So, with that in mind, I do not think people who don’t vaccinate are the most ignorant and selfish people any more than I think people who religiously vaccinate without question are God’s gift to mankind. I think there should always be people questioning and pushing for better vaccines and more research. We don’t have it all figured out. There are still plenty of cases where harmful side effects to vaccines are seen, where vaccinated people are contracting and even dying from diseases they were supposedly protected from. There is no guarantee on either side. The most helpful thing anyone can do is question and constantly seek more information and research. The government should always be pressured to produce the best vaccine technology available.
This has to be the most thoughtful post. Most of the posts coming from both sides of the fence are so mean and belittling. you hit the nail on the head. These poor babies get so many shots in the 1st year of life, no wonder some of them end up with “something” spread it out. and give them some time in between shots. I have 6 kids that were all vaccinated “on time” with NO adverse affects. but with all the stories surrounding the MMR vaccine, it made me do a little research of my own. I think I would have done it different. I would have vaccinated, just put it on a different times schedule. I would like to hear from any military parents out there on what their vaccine schedule is for when they are required to leave the country. I have a relative in the Air Force that is only allowed 2 shots per visit and they have to be spaced out by so much time before the next set of 2 can be delivered. My question is, Why is an adult only allowed 2 shots at a time but my 1 year old got the MMR + 3 other shots in the same day?
This is a very well thought out and logical post. Thank you. These are my feelings exactly, except I chose not to vaccinate at all, as my parents did not before me. With not vaccinating comes responsibility. I make every effort to detoxify my kids’ environments, we do not eat junk food. I make everything from scratch except for rare occasions using only the best ingredients. We buy natural, non-toxic products. We eat tons of veggies. I keep my babies home with me until kindergarten (if I were really awesome I would homeschool! 🙂 so they have stronger immune systems when they come in contact with all of their unhealthy peers. You do have to use your common sense and give your kids the best chance at sailing through the disease should they get it.
Absolutely agree! I find it frustrating to think that if parents took the time they spent arguing about other people’s kids needing vaccinations and used that to learn how to naturally strengthen their OWN child’s immunity, they wouldn’t need to live in such fear…. because you know there is a filthy measles, mumps, rubella filled child hiding around every tree, bush, and corner just waiting to jump out and salivate all over your precious vaccinated child. Get a grip people.. stop allowing the media to paralyze you into submission. I also find it ridiculous that the parents who choose not to vaccinate usually have spent far more time researching and weighing both sides than the parents who take their doctors word as gospel.. yet we are the uneducated illogical ones… sigh.
I have a 9-month-old (children under one can’t receive the MMR and some other vaccines) and I am constantly terrified that she is going to contract a disease from an unvaccinated child. Like, constantly. We don’t go to playgroups or anywhere else where there are children I don’t know, because babies are DYING from these diseases. I’d rather be seen as a huge Debbie Downer and keep my kid safe. Anyone who chooses not to vaccinate their kids not only risks their lives, but the lives of every infant and immune-compromised child.
I actually just read an article today that says you can give your child the MMR after six months if you’re concerned they’re going to be exposed (i.e. if you’re traveling abroad or live in an area where there’s an outbreak, like in California), but you still have to give it again at 12-15 months because the immunity doesn’t quite “take” earlier, due to some of the mother’s immunity still being present in the child. Check with your doctor, obviously, but it might be something worth asking about 🙂
I used to feel that way, but as time went on and I realized my children’s natural immunity is stronger than I gave it credit for, I stopped worrying about it so much. Worrying in itself can cause illness and disease. I now have 6 children of various ages… the oldest will be 15 this year. Not only do we venture into society on a regular basis and my children attend public school, but we have also never had to deal with any of these “preventable” diseases despite being exposed to a couple. My children rarely even catch a cold. Naturally strengthening your child’s immunity through nutrition and eliminating toxins in the home, food, and water supply will take you much further than a boat load of vaccinations.
Love this and totally agree with you. I have my kids vaccinated and I did it working with my doctor to spread them out one at a time every week to not overload my kiddos. Thank you for saying this because I totally agree.
It is really upsetting that people aren’t getting vaccinated. For some reason my rubella immunity wore off and I didn’t find out until I was pregnant. If I had contracted the measles, my baby would have had severe birth defects. I will be getting a booster when I am eligible. So scary! Vaccinate!
Amen sister, amen. Thank you for going there.
Jumps out of chair clapping enthusiastically while screaming BRAVO.
One of the things that a lot of people don’t realise is measles is highly, *highly* contagious. This is what makes it so dangerous.
From the CDC website:
Measles is a highly contagious virus that lives in the nose and throat mucus of an infected person. It can spread to others through coughing and sneezing. Also, measles virus can live for up to two hours on a surface or in an airspace where the infected person coughed or sneezed. If other people breathe the contaminated air or touch the infected surface, then touch their eyes, noses, or mouths, they can become infected. Measles is so contagious that if one person has it, 90% of the people close to that person who are not immune will also become infected.
Yea Like this bullshit you just posted!! Wow! You should do YOUR research!! Dr Wakefield study has not been “debunked” and has been replicated like 17 times in other counties, oh and by the way, he didn’t say it CAUSES AUTISM, he said there might be a link! And also, if you don’t know what actually classifies autism, it is a list of symptoms that are ALL possible side effects listed on your precious vaccine label!
Also, how scary you mentioned measles can be…those numbers are taken from a “whole world” statistic, and not all lifted that died were even children. Measles is a very mild disease, Pharmaceutical company’s have scared you into thinking otherwise! Look up the graphs, measeles were declining before the vaccination was even given. how about we try feeding our kids proper nutrition to boost their immunity, instead of loading them with yet another chemical!
Yes, some kids cannot have the vaccines, thank god for that, as it would only add to their problems!!
Ummmm what… that quack who wrote that up has lost his medical license. .. and retracted his statements as well. Please do share this factual information that you are stating.
Wakefield is also not even close to the only one. And autism is most definitely not the only possible “concern.” I see more of a problem with uneducated parents who jump on the one study that was done that was supposedly debunked as their reason for ignoring any other studies. Everyone automatically responds to my choice to not vaccinate with, “you know they proved that vaccines don’t cause autism, right?” YES!!!! I work with kids with autism, I’m not concerned with that. It’s the other side effects–seizures, loss of bodily control, DEATH that concern me…
Then why did he lose his medical license? Waiting for that explanation.,,
The Vaccine-Autism Connection: A Public Health Crisis Caused by Unethical Medical Practices and Fraudulent Science
Dennis K Flaherty⇑
Dennis K Flaherty PhD, Associate Professor, Department of Pharmaceutical and Administrative Sciences, University of Charleston School of Pharmacy, Charleston, WV
Correspondence
: Dr. Flaherty, [email protected]
Abstract
In 1998, Dr. Andrew Wakefield, a British gastroenterologist, described a new autism phenotype called the regressive autism-enterocolitis syndrome triggered by environmental factors such as measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccination. The speculative vaccination-autism connection decreased parental confidence in public health vaccination programs and created a public health crisis in England and questions about vaccine safety in North America. After 10 years of controversy and investigation, Dr. Wakefield was found guilty of ethical, medical, and scientific misconduct in the publication of the autism paper. Additional studies showed that the data presented were fraudulent. The alleged autism-vaccine connection is, perhaps, the most damaging medical hoax of the last 100 years.
MMR vaccine regressive autism Wakefield
How about all these studies performed by the American Academy of Pediatrics? Not one single study has EVER replicated Wakefield’s (retracted, debunked, and all-around junk) results. http://www2.aap.org/immunization/families/faq/VaccineStudies.pdf
My son is a bubble boy – he can NOT receive any vaccinations or it will kill him. He relies on “herd immunity” which means the people around him being vaccinated to protect him. He has had Rotavirus twice which there is a vaccine for and ended up on life support each time. It was by the grace of god that he survived. I really wish more people were well informed and considered how their actions of not vaccinating affects other members of the community. People need to not only be responsible for themselves but to their fellow citizens.
agree
When my youngest was 2-3 weeks old a little boy who lived near us died from having measles. My oldest was 3 and had had all her vaccines, my youngest was a brand new newborn baby, too young to get her vaccinations. I was absolutely terrified. Now I realise some people don’t agree with the MMR, well guess what there are 3 seperate vaccines, 1 for measles, 1 for mumps and one for rubella. So if you don’t want to have the MMR, then vaccinate your child individually. Don’t put other children at risk. The little boy who died couldn’t be vaccinated, all of his siblings were but he had an allergy to eggs so was unable to be vaccinated.
What year was this? The last measles death in the US was 13 years ago….
In 2003 here in the UK, it terrified the life out of me.
Good stuff. My husband and I were just talking about this. Good job!
So I have nothing against your feelings I have three children and two are fully vaccinated my third well he’s only 4 months and no I haven’t stuck him yet I am on the fence about that. My reason behind it isn’t autism I believe that u are born with that, but on my sons 4th bday not the exact date he had to get the bit load of shots and lets just say he got very sick not going to go into detail but 30 min after a shot something after going in completely healthy. Months following my perfectly healthy niece goes in for her kinder shots normal kid happy out going, so they give her the shots an a*s load at this point, the next day she got a 105 fever sezurs the doctors say oh that’s normal she’ll b ok in a couple of days. The same day she ends up in the hospital on ventilatiors and is now for ever brain dead. This once perfectly healthy little girl is gone forever because they did what ur suposse to do, or the government try’s to scar the s**t out of you, but have u ever looked at the ingredients some are toxic very toxic and others are big heart grinded up monkey intestines, and they are only 50 percent effective look it up this is all off the CDC website. So I haven’t fully made my choice but if I do it’s because u can’t always trust people or bribe what they say is 100 percent the truth. Also with the out break people who were vaccinated had it to the guy who brought it from his so called vacay was also vaccinated.
You are seriously misinformed. Vaccinating my child does not protect your child unless your child is also unvaccinated. The only people at Disney who caught the measles were people who were also unvaccinated. If being a good Mama Bear to you means injecting your children with a ton of diseases, harmful chemicals, and yes, even aborted fetal tissue (i.e. dead baby) then by all means do so. Those of us who believe being a good Mama Bear means to NOT inject our children with that disgusting crap have accepted the fact that we are putting our children at risk for things like the measles but protecting them from a lifelong battle with autoimmune disorders, Autism, and too many other ailments to count. I want those who do vaccinate to understand that UNVACCINATED PEOPLE ARE THE ONLY ONES AT RISK. So you injected the Measles into your child already as a baby? Great! If my child catches it them your child will not! We have weighed the pros and cons and the risks of vaccinating are far greater than the risks of not vaccinating.
Some kids can’t get vaccinated, because they have known conditions that make it unsafe for them. And in any case, the measles vaccine is effective about 97% of the time, so if your measly a-hole kid wipes his spit-covered hands on a hundred non-idiots, probably “only” three will get a life-threatening illness. Without commonly available vaccinations, it would be much more.
Actually, 6 of the 34 cases at Disneyland were people who had been vaccinated: http://www.wired.com/2015/01/vaccinated-people-get-measles-disneyland-blame-unvaccinated/
You not vaccinating your children DOES affect my children and everybody else’s. Some children cannot be vaccinated and vaccines are not 100% effective. I realize that facts will do little to persuade you but the only way your unvaccinated child does not pose a risk is if you move to a deserted island.
You say “… and yes, even aborted fetal tissue (i.e. dead baby)” – this is demonstrably false. Even the National Catholic Bioethics Center, which is adamantly anti-choice, knows this. http://www.ncbcenter.org/page.aspx?pid=1284
“What does it mean when we say that these products are made in “descendent cells”?
Descendent cells are the medium in which these vaccines are prepared. The cell lines under consideration were begun using cells taken from one or more fetuses aborted almost 40 years ago. Since that time the cell lines have grown independently. It is important to note that descendent cells are not the cells of the aborted child. They never, themselves, formed a part of the victim’s body.”
“What do I do if there is no alternative to a vaccine produced from these cell lines?
One is morally free to use the vaccine regardless of its historical association with abortion. The reason is that the risk to public health, if one chooses not to vaccinate, outweighs the legitimate concern about the origins of the vaccine. This is especially important for parents, who have a moral obligation to protect the life and health of their children and those around them.”
You then go on to say “UNVACCINATED PEOPLE ARE THE ONLY ONES AT RISK.” – again, no. Vaccines are not 100% effective. Those who choose not to vaccinate are, whether they want to admit it or not, relying on the benefit of herd immunity provided to them by those who do choose to vaccinate. You’re welcome.
Very well put!
Yeah!!!!! Love this post. Thank you for being a responsible member of the community- it takes a village.
I agree 2,000%. Thankfully, none of my children have cancer. But I do. I’ve lived with cancer for almost 5 years now. (Actually today is the anniversary of getting the diagnosis.) I rely on my children and family’s herd immunity to keep me healthy. Also, my youngest child is 2-years-old. (November) I wasn’t able to give him much of an immune system. He’s up-to-date on his immunizations. But he still gets sick very easily. In 2013, I had to call 911 because his fever was 106 rectally even after giving tylenol and ibuprofen. He’s caught so many lung infections/RSV that his lungs are damaged and now has asthma. He NEEDS herd immunity. He needs people to stay at home when they’re sick so he doesn’t end up on a vent in ICU just because we went out to eat one night and someone touched him with their snotty hand.
Is there a like button?
My husband is fighting cancer. Our immunity protects him. If he got measles he would die.
Congratulations on your 5 years! That is amazing.
This is great! Thank you for having the courage to speak out! I don’t know when society turned from trusting medical professionals to feeling like they are out to get them! And the fact people say “it’s all about the money” well you can research and see that vaccines make up 13% of a large pharma company’s income. 13%! Granted that’s a lot of money but not enough to risk handing out a potentially dangerous drug. Clearly they know it’s safe. My other favorite fact about vaccines is that the developers often give them to their own families first! Respinsible research is so important, so many seemingly reputable websites actually have any-vax motives!
My kids got the MMR shot, but I was scared to death. And, it wasn’t Jenny McCarthy that scared me, it was my long time friend with a severely autistic child. He was a normal, thriving 18 month old, until he got his his first (and last) MMR shot. He stopped talking, stopped walking, stopped making eye-contact and it has been a nightmare ever since. She AND her doctor know that it was a reaction to that multi-vaccine shot.
Yes, this reaction is statistically very rare, but my friend would trade her life to be able to have her son have the measles instead of……. special schools, strict diets, daily therapists, impossible to find child care, a kid with zero friends, watching his unbearable frustration, coping with the debilitating strain on her marriage, the guilt of neglecting the younger sibling, the guilt of feeling like “she did this to him”, and the knowledge that he will never be able to care for himself and what that will mean after she dies.
I’m not anti-vaccine, but you all are making it out to be an easy, no brainer, drop in the bucket decision, and that’s an insult to those who have been permanently injured by vaccines. (In the U.S., in 2014, 365 people were paid over $202 MILLION from pharmaceutical companies that either settled or were found guilty of vaccination injury in a court of law.)
http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/statisticsreport.pdf
Amen Heather. I have a niece whose four year old son who has experienced this identical thing. You are a fresh voice in this discussion. Thank you.
You know that autism typically manifests at about the same time as the vaccines are scheduled. You can also correlate schizophrenia with graduating college.
YESSSSS thank you, BS!!!!! It’s important to have discussions about this for the people who may be “on the fence” about this issue. You may never convert the anti vaxers (there’s not a lot of discussion that can be held when both parties disagree on what is considered a “credible” source) but I know there are people out there who needed to read this. I’m glad you stand with science. People don’t realize how much more dangerous the actual diseases are, even IF they were right about vaccine reactions (which THEY’RE NOT). I’m sorry for all the sanctimommies that are going to attack you for this.
The US Dept of Health and Human Resources are pretty credible.
No opinions. Just the straight statistics.
http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/statisticsreport.pdf
A-freakin’-MEN!
I had measles when I was 9YO, during the depths of the Cold War (months after the Cuban missile crisis), after there was a nuke drill on the US Navy air station where I lived at the time, Miramar.
I was at school, off post, during the drill itself, so I wasn’t in the hangar where hundreds of Navy family members – wives, kids, including my mom and my little sister – were amassed in a practice round of “what if?” However, one of the kids in that heaving scrum was found, within a day or so, to have measles. And therefrom ensued an outbreak.
This was 2 years before the measles vaccine came along in 1963. My sister got the measles, and then, a couple weeks later, so did I.
What I still, 50+ years later, clearly remember is being sicker than I ever have been, including the time I had the flu in 1980 (which was no party either, lemme tell ya). My temperature spiked to 106ºF that afternoon, and – on the Navy Clinic’s phoned instructions to my mother’s frantic call – my mom proceeded to plunge me into a tub full of cold water and ice cubes, where she physically held me for several minutes. She then wrapped me in wet sheets – also cold – and put me in bed.
I remember having M.C. Escher fever dreams, which closely mirrored the going-under-ether visions I’d had when I was 4YO, being put under for a tonsillectomy. My mom hovered for hours. The fever broke around midnight. I slept, and spent the next few days recovering.
With my adult knowledge, I’ve known for decades that my mother saved my life that day, and that fate/luck/whatever saved me from brain damage. 106ºF fevers can Vegematic a human brain.
Listen, fuckwits, VACCINATE YOUR KIDS. For measles, and for all the other standard stuff. Unless you’re really into gambling with their g*****n lives.
Evolve or shut up.
Just also remember that some people cannot vaccinate due to allergies and such. Our family is one of those families. We don’t believe in the autism link, but we cannot vaccinate due to the shots making us ill.
Exactly! Thank you!
Can u tell everyone else that illness from vaccines can be delayed and cause long term chronic conditions? Or immediate allergic reactions are the only things that get attention?
Wake up people, Cancer is the most common thing these days……don’t you see what’s happening? Bad ingredients in food is one cause, but bad ingredients injected directly into your bloodstream, come on! That is not the natural path(ogen) these diseases take. And you think man can fool nature?!? You aren’t eradicating disease, you’re eradicating the human race.
Here’s a “credible” source: From 1988 to Jan 2015, The US Department of Health and Human Resources reports 14,531 vaccine injury claims and 1,153 vaccine death claims. 3,895 (or 27%) were compensated with settlements or have been able to prove their case in court.
Can you imagine your child DYING from the DTP shot? 692 sets of parents can. That’s how many kids have DIED from that shot since 1988. Yes, that is still a miniscule percentage compared to the number of vaccinations that have been give in that time. BUT, if that doesn’t give you pause, as a parent, that is concerning.
Settlement doesn’t necessarily mean the claim was proven. It often means that the insurance company found it cheaper and more expedient to pay the claimant off than go to court, since even a court victory for the company costs time and money. Even “prove their case in court” means “convinced a jury beyond reasonable doubt,” not irrefutable proof. Can I imagine a child dying from DPT? Yes. But I can more likely imagine them dying from diptheria. From the CDC: “The U.S. recorded 206,000 cases of diphtheria in 1921, resulting in 15,520 deaths.” That’s just one of the diseases vaccinated for in the DPT.
3895 compensatable claims out of how many vaccines given? 1153 deaths out of how many vaccines given?
There are 72.4 millions children under the age of 18 in the United States currently. Let’s assume 70% have been fully immunized. That’s around 50 million kids. That doesn’t even include the fully vaccinated adults that would be included in this 27 year span, but let’s just stick with the 50 million to make the math simpler. So, 1153 deaths out of 50 million…that’s 2.3 deaths per 100,000, or 1.15 per 50,000. I’m sorry, but that’s a g*****n medical miracle. I’m not trying to underscore the pain and suffering of a family losing a child or loved one because of a vaccine injury, not at all. But please understand that this is an incredibly low number of incidences considering the widespread use of these vaccines.
The chances of an average person getting hit by lightening in their lifetime are 1 in 3,000. Basically, you are over 16 times more likely to get hit by lightening in your lifetime than dying from vaccine injury. But I’m sure you still go outside in thunderstorms. You are 4 times more likely to die in a car accident (1 in 10,000) but I’m sure you still drive. Vaccines are one of the safest things around.
Seriously need a like button. Go Nicole!
Need a love button.
Nicole – I think you just gave the stats for the likelihood your kid will catch measles, one and two, the stats for getting some kind of complication from measles. or dying from the measles. Thank you for pointing out how unnecessary it is to vaccinate against measles. And ” I’m not trying to underscore the pain and suffering of a family losing a child or loved one because of a [measles complication], not at all. But please understand that this is an incredibly low number of incidences considering the widespread [cases of measles]. and I’d rather take my chances with measles (I did have them after all and so I know) then with the vaccine.
Here, read: http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/189/Supplement_1/S4.full
Measles complications are no joke, and, with varying severity, affect 30% of patients. In an un- or under- vaccinated community, the chances of catching measles, a highly contagious disease, are 90%. In a fully vaccinated community, the chances are still 3-5%. So, yeah. Measles, measles complications, etc., are a much bigger threat than vaccine injuries. And it’s very sad to think that this disease was all but wiped out a few years ago, but has come roaring back with a vengeance because people would rather have a disease than try to prevent it. That doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me.
During the 2013-2014 influenza season, there were 96 pediatric deaths in the United States. But, the flu “isn’t that bad”, so a vaccine is pointless, right?
I’d recommend everyone reading this coming from Dr. Gregory Poland, one of the world’s most admired and most advanced thinkers in the field of vaccinology…. he basically says the measles vaccination is garbage.
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/im-no-anti-vaxxer-measles-vaccine-cant-prevent-outbreaks-1
and this where both doctors on opposite sides of the vaccine argument agree that the measles infection, once caught, is not likely to turn deadly.
http://therundownlive.com/?p=108771
SMH, I am unable to reply to your comment regarding the doctors agreeing that measles is not likely to turn deadly. No, a person is not likely to die from measles, but they definitely could die from the pneumonia that develops (1 in 20) or maybe they just get encephalitis (1 in 1000) that can cause serious enough convulsions to leave a person paralyzed, deaf, blind, mentally handicapped, etc. So, no, a person may not die, but they could end up with a very poor quality of life after having the measles. But, no matter what I say, I know it won’t matter to you.
Ooh! I found hard data here: http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/statisticsreport.pdf
Page 7-8 shows 2,236,678,735 doses of vaccines given 2006-2013 with 1,668 compensable petitions. 1 in 1,340,935 with a compensable vaccine injury. There have been 1153 deaths reported since 1988. Even if all those deaths occurred during that 2006-2013 period (which they likely didn’t), that’s a fatality rate of 1 in 1.9 million. You have a better chance of winning the lottery than dying from a vaccine-related injury/complication. Seriously.
Vaccines are the greatest medical achievement of our time.
Vaccines are the greatest propaganda acheivement of our time followed in a distant second by allopathic cancer treatments. Antibiotics are the greatest medical acheivement of our time and we’re messing that up via factory farming.
When you look at vaccine injuries you’re only considering immediate and severe injuries. Not a single study exists comparing overall health outcomes between fully vaccinated and fully unvaccinated children, not a single one. Suggesting that vaccinating in the long-term is a better overall health choice for children living in developed countries is not a scientifically supported statement.
But Nicole – isn’t that EXACTLY what pro-vaxxers are saying? That they’d rather have a child who is autistic or vaccine injured than DEAD??? So, the pro-choice vaxxers are saying the same thing… they’ve done the research and made the decision that they would rather take the chance of their child being injured from the measles than of being injured from the vaccine. These are all judgement calls. The parents who choose not to vaccinate did not make the decision lightly… they are beefing up their child’s immune system on a daily basis so that if their child DOES come in contact with the disease, their chances of being injured will fall DRASTICALLY. That is why most parents are not afraid of the actual disease. It’s not because they forgot what the disease was like. For pete’s sake, I HAD the measles, as did all my siblings. I know exactly what I’m exposing my kids to.
Choosing to not vaccinate is selfish, period. Non-vaxxers, pro-choice vaxxers, whatever you want to call them, are relying on enough other people to choose to assume the risk of vaccination in order to reduce the risk of communicable diseases spreading like wildfire throughout the population. Choosing to not vaccinate increases the number of hosts available for a disease to infect, thereby increasing the spread of the disease, thereby increasing the chances of an outbreak. Looking no further than the door of your own home is short-sighted. You live in a society where your decisions affect others. Act like you care.
Nicole, these are all great and logical points.
But, when you watch a friend with a severely vaccine-injured child, and see how incredibly hard and painful life is for their entire family, you can no longer keep on the blinders. In the end, I chose to fully vaccinate for the greater good, but that was in NO WAY a no-brainer decision as so many of you are making it out to be.
Tell me if, hearing a good friend say THESE words to you, over and over, wouldn’t give you pause:
“I will never forgive myself, because I DID THIS TO HIM. I decided to take the risk of the shot -vs- the risk that he MIGHT get one of these illnesses, AND that he MIGHT be one of the few that has lasting or lethal complications from said illness. I chose to give him the vaccine that took away his voice and his smile and his human connection. And the most guilt I feel comes from the fact that I didn’t do one minute of research before making that decision.”
I truly feel very sorry for your friend. I would tell her so, and also thank her for doing the responsible thing, especially since it had devastating results. And then I would do everything in my power to help her and her family find out the whys…why her child, what about his genetics, environment, lifestyle, whatever it may be, caused him to have a reaction when so many don’t. Perhaps finding out the why would prevent yet another family from experiencing the same devastation, and she may feel some relief from that. If she doesn’t know the why, hindsight is useless…she could have done all the research in the world in advance, but if she wasn’t aware that her child’s (insert reason for reaction here) would cause a reaction, the outcome would’ve been the same. Again, I’m truly sorry your friend’s child was one of these extreme rarities.
I have a child with autism (my first born). I had him vaccinated. Did I vaccinate my second child? You bet your sweet a*s I did! I nevwr thought the vaccines caused his autism, but regardless, i vaccinated her for the exact reason you pointed out. Even if they had proven vaccines cause autism, I’d still have them vaccinated. Having an autistic child is better than having a dead or totally disabled child.
As a child I developed encephalitis from the chicken pox. Silly chicken pox, it’s just a few itchy bumps- yea right! I couldn’t speak or walk for a month. I was lucky to not suffer any permanent damage. Pass the vaccines!
WOW! Even if they had proven vaccines caused autism, I’d still have them vaccinated?! WOW! So basically you’re saying you’d choose 100% to give your child autism rather than risk your child being infected with an illness YOU BELIEVE to be fatal? Holy crap! I knew the media had people scared of these illnesses but I didn’t realize the depth of that fear. That’s insanity, I’m sorry.
AMEN…Brainwashed is more like it. Can you imagine the money losses if everyone stopped vaccinating. It isn’t about the “vaccinations”, it is about how they are preserved. Until people realize the difference of the ‘number’ of vaccinations and how their preserved, and especially to infants. We stand against this argument to make people panic about getting sick in public. I don’t think they know how to solve this problem of preserving vaccinations or their in denial because of admitting how much damage has been done. Why there is enough stir-up on the subject that something will work in favor of improving vaccinations. American’s trust their vaccinations 100% while being manufactured in India is just astonishing to me. It is like trusting your kid’s welfare to anyone. Not all doctors are subject matter experts. You need to get 3 opinions before committing your health issues to one doctor. Do you homework and understand the exact problem before speaking out against why parents who have witnessed this problem of 1 out of 66 children have autism and not including other mental health issues like ADD. Yes, mercury in high doses and especially to infants can cause Neurological disorder.
GET THE FACTS!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.c-span.org/video/?309672-1/federal-response-rise-autism-rates
Mercury in high doses in infants may indeed cause damage, however there is no Mercury in any vaccines, be more concerned about the fish you eat, that is where Mercury resides, not in vaccines. Please get the facts..
Thank you for going there!!!!! It needs to be brought up! All these anti vaccine mamas get their panties in a bunch if anyone says ANYTHING. I love you and everything you stand for!
This disgusts me. A HUGE apology to the mothers whose babies have died or who have been rushed to the ER with blue lips and struggling for air like my baby did.
Sad.
I LOVE YOU!!! I’m choked up and the tears are about to spill onto the keyboard. I have the child that CANNOT BE VACCINATED. I would give anything to have my baby girl vaccinated against the MMR. She had her first one. She had a massive allergic reaction to it. We are not sure what in it she is allergic too but it was so severe she cannot have the booster. On top of it….SHE IS ALLERGIC TO ALL ANTIBIOTICS. So the parent that doesn’t vaccinate against the MMR and then sends their kids to school (oh there are so many that send sick kids to school) has pretty much just signed my child’s death certificate.
I live in constant fear when I hear about another Measles outbreak. Her titer’s show she is no longer immune. I would give anything to vaccinate my child. I would give anything to be able to give her an antibiotic to cure her strep throat. I don’t have that privileged.
People don’t understand. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for speaking for us mom’s out there whose voice can’t be heard as loudly as yours. My daughter and I are truly grateful to you for it.
“But why on earth should you believe me? I’m just a stoopid mom in fat pants who still has baby brain three years after I was preggers.”
YOU SAID IT!
I’m still not vaccinating either.
Love! My son is immune deficient. And has autism! Guess what, we knew he was autistic before the age for the MMR shot. He got his shot split in 3 given a month a part. I paid extra, but he is immune compromised so our Doctor split the shot in Measles, Mumps and Rubella for us and it was ordered and my child is immunzed, cause with his immune system, parents who do not vaccinate are a threat to him!
I have a friend that had a perfectly healthy walking talking little boy, then he got the MMR…now he an autistic 5 yr old. I got my daughter the chicken pox vaccine and guess what…she still got them 6 months later…She has all her vaccinations but Im not completely 100% agreeable with the CDC…she now has lyme disease and has for 5 years, they (CDC) say 2 weeks of antibiotics and youre cured…well guess what??? its been 5 freakin years!!! and shes still on them because everytime we stop she gets sick 🙁
Sounds to me like you need a new doctor and there is something else going on. The CDC openly points out how vaccines don’t always take and that it takes significant time for your body to build immunities.
I am a mother of two amazing and beautiful kids. My son just happens to have autism. He is fully vaccinated and will continue to receive his vaccinations on time and as needed. How he became autistic, I don’t know. Maybe he lost a genetic lottery? Either way, his vaccinations protect him from crippling diseases that were once all but eradicated. I will always advocate for his autism AND the complete vaccination of all kids who can get them. There is no reason to not protect your kids from crippling and debilitating diseases just because you fear a developmental disability that can be managed and sometimes triumphed over. There are worse thing than autism and shame on some people for making others believe there aren’t.
There are far worse things than autism, that can all be a direct result of a vaccine injury–death is one of them.
Bunch of garbage. Still not going to vaccinate, as is my right.
No problem. Just keep your little vectors away from public places. Otherwise you are recklessly endangering both your kids and everyone else’s.
Be sure to also avoid vaccinated children for 6 weeks after injection as well as the unvaccinated children if you are truly that paranoid of illness…. because they CAN and DO shed. In fact maybe the vaccinated children should live in a bubble since their parents are the blatant germophobes.
I really need to think this logic through…. okay… step 1.. avoid unvaccinated children, step 2 avoid newly vaccinated children, step 3 get vaccinations (which lower my child’s own natural immunity by forcing his/her body to protect itself and eliminate toxins/heavy metals) that may or may not protect my children from the filthy children in step 1 and 2. While at the same time making sure my own newly vaccinated children don’t go around any babies or immunocompromised individuals for 6 weeks! Got it! Makes perfect sense! Yeah, sorry sounds like a PITA to me. Maybe I’ll just give my kid a salad instead of MickeyDs
You just gave me another reason to love you! A million thumbs up for this!
Exactly! I am allergic to the Pertussis vaccination and I get scared every time there is a whooping cough outbreak. The other thing that is frustrating is that newborns cannot be given most vaccinations right away so those non-vaccinated families put these newborns at risk too. I feel families that make this choice are no different from people that drive drunk or reckless, you are putting others lives at risk and should be charged as such.
Every time the vaccination issue comes up, it’s always boiling down to the good of the many outweighs the life of the few.
Sounds too much like Star Trek and Spock to me –not America.
But I find it absolutely absurd that requiring all children to be vaccinated is great and to be promoted as the solution to everything, even though many children, while a “small percentage” of the total, are expected to be putting up with reactions and illnesses that maim or kill them so the majority of the group will be “protected.”
This is the common “medical logic” always used for vaccinations. What is missing from the vaccination protocols and studies are detailed studies on every single child/adult that gets ill or has a negative result from having a vaccination. These are critical in determining why a medication that “generally” works is so horrible for some individuals. These kinds of studies would go a long way to bolstering confidence in the decision to vaccinate or not vaccinate. Everyone knows that with regard to every single approved medication there are some individuals who absolutely should never use that medication. Why aren’t vaccinations similarly documented and on a case by case basis, that information applied to individual patients in consultation with their doctors?
It is too simple to state one-size fits all on vaccinations. It is just as horrible if your own little one has reactions or medical issues from a vaccination as it is for a child to get a disease. The disease can be very bad, but so can vaccinations. Also, not all vaccinations work properly even when they are used. This year’s flu vaccine is a case in point with protection levels only in the 25% range for the type of flu going around. So these things just don’t always work.
A more complete understanding of the truth is needed.
Perhaps you need to read up on the CDC a bit more. Every vaccination is documented and every outbreak or symptom that occurs within a reasonable amount of time after the vaccination is documented. So before you jump down the CDC’s throats, read up on it. I’d currently be dead if it weren’t for vaccinations and all of the breakthroughs over the years. So sorry if I don’t support your logic.
No, in fact every bad reaction from a vaccine is not reported, even when child got sick two days after vax, and was taken to ER, with fever and covered in red spots, they said it was not from the vax. So obviously was not reported.
Dear mom who believes everything the CDC says I feel sorry for you and your children. Never stop asking questions, that’s what we try and teach our children, it’s called critical thinking and you know those drug ads constantly on the TV rebuking drug safety and giving compensation for strokes and cancer and other fun things? Well at some point the CDC and the food and drug administration said those products were harmless too…
From one fully vaccinated family to another…..BRAVO. Well said, and you are very brave for doing it!! Thank you!!!
The measles “outbreak” is being spread by the shedding of live vaccines. Most of the kids who are getting it are VACCINATED. So, if that’s the case- vaccinating is what is spreading the disease. And that also means that vaccinations aren’t doing their “job”. I am so tired of hearing these outbreaks ( which really aren’t even close) be blamed on unvaccinated children. The media won’t tell you that this measles outbreak is not “wild”- it is “lab-made”. And they also aren’t reporting that most that have it are VACCINATED.
Shedding? Citation of scientifically peer reviewed research, please.
P.S. Only 6 of the 34 cases with known immunization records were vaccinated. I’m not good with math but even I know that’s wayyyyy less than “most” as you claim.
Stop spreading lies. You are part of the problem.
http://www.nvic.org/CMSTemplates/NVIC/pdf/Live-Virus-Vaccines-and-Vaccine-Shedding.pdf
Yeah, no. NVIC is not even unbiased let alone even remotely close to a scientific peer reviewed citation. Try again.
Did you not see the 276 citations??? Ignorance breeds ignorance…
Vaccinations do not always take and as per the CDC it wears off and you should be vaccinated twice.
Exactly. The MMR is something like 90% effective w/a booster. But for some people it never “takes.” NOT because there is anything wrong with the vaccine but as the result of those individuals immune systems.
I love you. Like, seriously. You are my hero.
Single antigen measles, mumps, and rubella vaccines are no longer available in the United States. Unfortunately, it’s the 3 in 1 or nothing.
Your post is also misinformation. The reliable source of the vaccine insert for MMR states autism IS a known side effect of the vaccine. I’m all for vaccines, but I am also for informed consent. Your post belittled families who have children injured by vaccines. The vaccine courts have paid out millions to damaged children who *gasp*, we’re diagnosed with autism after their vaccines. So be passionate about it fine, but stop contributing to the lack of science and facts, and maybe parents who are cautious about vaccines might take you seriously.
We should write a bill and submit it to state legislatures. Children who are not vaccinated based on a personal belief should not be allowed into their local public schools. Non vaccinated children due to cancer, immune problems or other medical reasons should be allowed. There should be one public school per region to send the non vaccinated children. It would help prevent the children who aren’t vaccinated from spreading diseases through the general population. Also it would cluster all the children together. Would an anti-vac parent be willing to send their child to a school where all the other kids are similarly unprotected? Where one case of measles would literally take down the entire school? It would change the story. We can talk about it all we want, but until some of us are willing to stand up and say, no, we don’t want our kids in school with non vaccinated children. It’s isn’t a personal belief, it’s dangerous and risks the health of everyone around them. People should not be allowed to endanger their neighbors because they either don’t understand or they disregard the science. They are betting on our children being vaccinated so their kids will never get the diseases. Well, fine, it’s a free country, but education is a state run venture. The state can choose where to send the children in it’s service. Send them all to one school. Let the parents deal with the actual consequences of their choice.
That was one of the dumbest comments I have read all day, there are plenty stupid one’s above yours but this made me laugh. smh
So, concentration camps? Yeah, no.
Biggest pile of s**t ever!
Good luck to the sheep le following your s**t
Very classy. I see your momma raised you to be a real lady and substantiate your claims.
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!! My son was not able to have the pertussis vac because of life threatening allergies when he was an infant/toddler. He did get everything else, tho. He is 32 now, but, I still get frightened every time he gets a respiratory infection because he & his wife are world travelers & I worry what he might have come in contact with, disease wise. Now I have to worry about him right on our own home turf! My grandchildren have been fully vaccinated, but, they have friends who have been vaccinated for nothing. Just who do those parents think they are endangering my grandchildren because of their f*****g ignorance & stupidity?? My generation lived with all the diseases that have been eradicated over the years & we know full well the repercussions of them & as parents we were thrilled that our own children would never know them. These kids should not be allowed into the public school system. The government should set up other schools for the unvaccinated & let all those kids get sick & leave our healthy kids alone!
I could argue with you but I’d be wasting my time. Instead I’ll feel sorry for all of you for drinking the koolaid & risking your children’s health, life & well-being by injecting toxic substances into them. I hope someday you will see the light.
With THIS vaccine, I agree. However, there is a lot of research out there about the implications of the Varicella vaccine (Chicken Pox). Why are children as young as 8 suddenly coming down with shingles after having two sets of the vaccine? Are there side effects which are causing sterility/infertility later in life? These are questions that cannot be answered…why? Because the vaccine has not been around long enough. And YES these are scientific studies based on facts, not on parental opinions. For those vaccines that are truly solving a disease that was an “epidemic”, there should be no question. For those that are not, you need to step back and look at why it was created. MONEY. The vaccine creators (MERCK, Smith-Kline Beechham, etc) found a spot that they can MAKE MONEY. If they weren’t making millions of dollars (and spending millions as lobbyists in the federal government), I think parents would also be more willing to take care of it. YES, doctors make money off of administering vaccines. Find a dr you trust- they will tell you what they really think. And no, not every pediatrician feels that ALL vaccines are necessary. Yes, I vaccinate my children. Research. Discuss. And don’t put down all parents who don’t vaccinate. If your child can’t be vaccinated, then you DO need to be momma bear and protect them. These diseases have not been “completely gone”- ever. The risk has always been around, even with the vaccines. These outbreaks are not just happening because people are not vaccinating. They would happen no matter what. We are more aware of them because of the times we live in. Just keep that in mind.
Too bad You cannot express a viewpoint without blinders on and using obscenities.
Great you’re speaking hypothetically about your children dying because of someone who didn’t vaccinate. Your kid won’t get the measles from my kid, even though we stopped vaccinating when he was six months old.
Know why?
Because the vaccination he got when he was six months old KILLED him.
That’s not “get my panties in a bunch-you breathed cigarette smoke in my direction” what MIGHT happen, it’s a three foot coffin going into the ground.
So you’ll have to excuse me for not vaccinating the remaining two kids. Sorry about the inconvenience.
Shane, I’m so sorry to hear about your son. For parents like you, I do wish the venomously pro-vaccine side would at least retract their claws a bit in order to see that it’s not a one-size-fits-all no-questions-asked for every child. So many cite things like herd immunity and those who can’t get the shots, at the end of the day coming to the “greater good” conclusion. But I always think of children like yours who are ultimately sacrificed for the dogma of vaccination. I vaccinate. Every needle stick makes me sick to my stomach with worry for what reaction might happen, but I go along with it (with only one shot at a time every 2-4 weeks). I so wish we had both sides to the story, that we knew every thing to know not just about vaccines and how they work, but about the immune system, which we STILL don’t fully understand. I will always ride the fence, as I have many concerns about ingredients and how the shot fully bypasses the natural way the immune system works. But it drives me crazy to always be reduced to one who listens to Wakefield or McCarthy, and to be told the CDC and pharm companies have NEVER had conflicts of interests or never lied (Merck — found to have overstated efficacy of the MMR is the first to come to mind). I couldn’t care less about Wakefield and McCarthy, but I worry about BOTH risks that come with both vaccinating and not. It’s not an easy decision for many parents. It’s not black and white. We can scream, “But science,” all day long, but even science isn’t perfect. It’s been wrong many a time before — that’s how it advances. I hope we eventually reach a point where instead of hearing “more boosters” we get to hear “we were wrong.” Not necessarily to get rid of vaccines altogether, but to make them SAFER. Will never happen in my lifetime, but one can hope.
I feel dumber for having read this. Honestly. You chastise non vaccers for not researching the issue and then cite exactly one source who is completely controlled by Big Pharma. Do me a favor and look up CDC and Fraud in goodgle and let me know what you come up with.
Well i have news for you…you spent a ton of effort to say how your kid can die from measles from my kid and cite the reason being to your kid has cancer. Well…i feel horrible about that but then you didn’t cite where there was a chance for death in any of the stats you posted. Well, i have news for you…150 people had measles in the US last year…any idea how many died? 0.
Keep watching the news and the fear mongering over an ailment that is necessary for immune system development. While you are at it…when did you and every other adult in your family last get the mmr shot? Because immunity isnt forever…in case you were under any false pretenses about that. You may want to invest in a bubble too because there is waaay worse than measles that doesn’t have a magical toxic concoction for you to mandate that everyone else take.
Oh…and that “fraudulent” study was replicated around the world no less than 4 times. You may want to research the topic from both sides before you spout garbage that you have no idea about. While you are at it…you may want to look into alternative cancer treatments so your kid has a chance at a long life. Gerson Therapy is one that i would recommend…but be forwarned…the fat slobs who run both quackwatch and snopes would say it is lunacy…..
The fraudulent study has NEVER been replicated. In fact, DOZENS of times it has been shown to be incorrect. The Journal that published it retracted the article and fined the man responsible. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3136032/
Ken, you are my hero
If my unvaccinated child.has measles your vaccinated child wont get it then, right???
Odds are about 90-97%, depending on the schedule and specific vaccine. In other words at least three and maybe ten out of each hundred kids your little vector meets could take the disease home. Plus measles hangs in the air for days. Most will never even know your kid was ever nearby. Then you have the kids with compromised immune systems, cancer patients, transplant patients and several other conditions that make it impossible or inadvisable to get vaccinated. You will almost certainly sicken them, and for no reason except that you cannot grok epidemiology.
As a mother of one child with autism and one a cancer survivor, I say BRAVO!!! I have all 4 of my kids fully vaccinated…why? The alternative when my child was going through cancer treatments was not an option. STOP BLAMING US, “The measles “outbreak” is being spread by the shedding of live vaccines. Most of the kids who are getting it are VACCINATED. So, if that’s the case- vaccinating is what is spreading the disease.” That’s a bullshit statement. As a mother of a child who was undergoing cancer treatments and couldn’t get vaccinated, I have a little more knowledge on the subject. Here’s the deal. I had two babies while my daughter received treatment. We had to take precautions when the young ones got their vaccines. Those precautions? Don’t let her touch their excrement. That’s it!!! So unless everyone is going around touching pee and p**p of other people at an alarmingly high rate, your theory is wrong.
FYI, here in Indonesia (about 8700 miles away from US) there are also people who are against vaccinations. Namely because they claimed it is useless and extremists even say it should be avoided because (gasps) the Jews invented it and has been using it to sickened the good people in order to make themselves wealthy. This just goes to show what crazy theories people could come up with just because they don’t have the full understanding about how things are.
I grew up in a better part of Indonesia, and I remember my mum managed to get us all the vaccines needed. Nevertheless, there are parts of Indonesia where these vaccines would be hard to come by, or even affordable. And with the poor health service, the vaccines could potentially save their lives. I can’t grasp why people in US would refuse a vaccine so readily available. Beside, it is not fair either. I have to re-do all my vaccines to apply for US visa, and here the US citizens stubbornly insist they don’t have to do vaccines.
I was never vaccinated for measles…or mumps for that matter. However, I did contract both when I was little, as were dozens of other kids in my neighborhood. I missed 2 days of school, and I was then immune. Not vaccinating against simple cases like this does not mean instant death.
I was vaccinated for polio, smallpox, diphtheria, and tuberculosis though, for obvious reasons. You cannot really get these diseases and guarantee yourself survival; hence, immunization is definitely recommended, and common sense is mandatory.
You’re so ignorant. And you will continue to be. You come near my kid and I would choke you out. You probably didn’t know that the vaccinated can be carriers. Ever hear of shedding? Plus, you’re under the assumption that vaccination equals immunization. It does not. Also, herd immunity has been proven to be false on a number of occasions.
I may not have a doctors degree, and I am not a scientist, but I am a mommy who knows her child. After my healthy happy baby received his first set of shots he developed an extremely high fever of 104 and just laid in his crib completely unresponsive. When I called my Pediatrician, I was told a high fever was normal and I was just an over reactive new mommy. When I took him for his second set of shots the same thing happened, yet again the doctors told me it was normal. My husband and I thought for sure we killed our child by trying to protect him. He has no allergy to eggs, but yet these highly toxic vaccines was doing harm to my child. When i expressed my concern to my doctor I was given all the scientific information of the vaccines protecting my child, the need to protect other children and all that other medical bull. But here’s what i know, my child didn’t blink, my child didn’t smile, laugh or cry. He just stared off into space and didn’t acknowledge anything. That’s what I knew for 2 days, and that is why i don’t vaccinate. Those vaccines did something to my child and i did not need a medical degree to see that. Luckily, he recovered after about a week. Because for all the doctors words, medical knowledge, and pamphlets it did nothing to ease my concern that i did something horrific to my child. That is my experience with those pesky minor side effects that you mentioned and BTW one of those minor side effects is death. ..And, yes I know all doctors and pharmaceutical companies say their vaccines are safe, but didn’t they say that about cigarettes years ago too?
So sorry you went through this:( Hope people open their eyes and start looking into the facts instead of repeating the old song about safety, herd immunity and saving the world.
If you only want anecdotes, we could spend the next six years hearing from parents who watched their children die, go blind or suffer permanent brain damage from preventable illnesses. Each parent just gets one paragraph.
I am a grandmother and did vaccinate my children. However, my problem is not with the debate of whether to vaccinate or not but with your language. Do you eat with that same mouth that all that filthy language comes out. I would think that if you really want to make a difference, people would take you more seriously if you could use more facts and a whole lot less profanity. If you are educated enough to write a blog, you should have enough language skills to write without all the profanity.
Her language gives out her high intellegence and knowledge;)
Dear Mom, who vaccinated….Good for you! Have a nice life! Sorry for your kids:( You’re so narrow-minded, hope it works ok for you!
I love this. I run a home daycare and let me tell you, you can have your opinion…until you risk other lives. I am an infant only home and most of my kids can’t be vaccinated yet. I am relying on the other kids in the neighborhood to be vaccinated.
Stop being selfish people! Vaccinate your child and help those who cannot.
Just a heads up, a child who receives any vaccine will actually shed the virus for up to 30 days, which means anyone who comes in contact with a recently vaccinated child is at risk to contract the virus. As far as the debate goes, my problem is that an MD is not given as much vacccine education as one might think. To me it would make sense to have a few classes solely on how a vaccine works, what is in them, and how the body responds. Unfortunatly if you look, they have a chapter or two in their curriculum. I had a neighbor who was an MD, and didn;t know some things I did through my research. I spoke to my pediatrician when my first was 2 months old, we decided to wait because the amount of mercury, and his weight was not a good mix….more research we decided not to, and you know what, when I asked my pediatrician who I LOVE, got an education on side effects, she was unaware of, and agreed with me that my child was at high risk for adverse effects.
I am so sorry you and your family are bearing an unbearable weight with a child suffering from cancer. But please understand that those that don;t vaccinate are not to be hated, why should I have to live with a damaged child because of chemicals that are in fact carcinigans, and brain toxins, when my child had risks that were not discovered until 6 months of age, and by then was supposed to have had at least 4-6 shots. I acted in the best interest of my child, and have done hours of research on the CDC and FDA websites, and if you have 3-5 hours to spend to dig through all the pages, you find data that contradicts what the mainstream media and pharmaceuticals report, and what the MD’s regurgitate.
Again I am sorry for your pain, and will pray for recovery and strength through this trial.
Thank you Marie!
Her kid doesn’t actually have cancer. Just more uneducated information she is spewing. She goes on to say in the next paragraph that her kid doesn’t actually have cancer. I quit reading at that point because the words blah blah blah cake to mind.
Some very misinformed and biased author. That’s right you’re not smarter than they are, so be smart and do your own research, don’t be lazy and spread your misleading angry hate. Measles vaccine IS the cause of the “outbreak”. Vaccination DOES NOT EQUAL immunization. There is no immunizations available, only toxic vaccines that are called “effective ” as long as they bring your white blood sells to spike right after injection for a little while. Your white blood cells spike from ANY harmful bacteria or toxin we come in contact with, this does not immunize us at all.
Well, here’s an opinion from a trained and certified epidemiologist (aka me): your science is wrong and the author is right, if a little blunt. Everything you just wrote above, in all of your posts, would be marked as wrong on one of my immunology, bacteriology, virology, epidemiology, or pathology exams. I won’t say any more on the matter because your posts prove in and of themselves that you are completely uneducated and unfamiliar with the biological and chemical fields that contribute to medical study.
THANK YOU!!!!!
My niece died from receiving the MMR. Thanks.
While I definitely defend your right to post your thoughts and opinions, I have to somewhat struggle with the fact that you seem to believe everything the news or the government tells you. I could go online and find information to both support your claims and debunk your claims….and both would be from trustworthy sources.
My children have received almost all vaccines however once they were older I started asking questions and the scary thing is….that the CDC cannot answer all of my questions and concerns about most of the vaccines out there.
Most doctors and drug companies will also tell you that the majority of their drugs are safe, however I have very strange side effects from many of them. When you ask a doctor about it, they deny the drug could be causing it. When I talk to a pharmacist, they can find that the drug in question can cause those side effects, just not in many of the cases. Therefore the drug companies chose to not disclose them because 99% of the population won’t have those problems. But for those of us who fall within the 1%, it is a constant struggle to get anyone to listen and realize that these drugs no longer are life savers but life threatening. This could easily be the case with some of the vaccines as well.
That’s right, and it’s not 1%. Everyone has side effects, just in different moderation. And they’re not just side effects, they are the effects of the drugs, just not the desired type. Most doctors admit they don’t even read the ingredients on the vaccines, it’s not that they are so misinformed, many just pretend they are not to be held responsible. Why? Because the doctors don’t control the Pharmacy and drug companies, but vise versa. The drug companies and pharmaceutical agents study qnd bribe doctors with lux vacations, dinners, whatever it is that they like personaly. If the doctors start questioning the system, they are easily replaced. So that’s our system.
Ps: I know quite a people phone used to be pharmacy techs and saw the harm and turned 180 degrees and went natural. Even a well known MD, who’s son could not be cured from MS, now has his own naturopath clinic, thanks to effective results from homeopathic approach ))
http://www.inquisitr.com/1789056/baltimore-health-officials-report-12-month-old-tested-positive-for-measles-virus/
Oh my. I have never been so appalled by anything I read before. And I vaccinate! Who are you to throw so much hatred out to the world? I used to adore your articles until I read this s**t. And your followers who are bashing other people, wishing death on innocent unvaccinated children..is really sickening. I used to wait for your articles to poo up on my newsfeed, but I will not support someone who is so foul mouthed and ill-mannered as you are. Give people enough time and their true colors show. You perfect thang you, pray to your God you need Jesus. Blessed be. I’m wiccan. Spread more love than hate. This could have been worded so much better that the stones you just casted.
I agree. Both sides of this argument- There are some truly hateful, hurtful things being said. Assumptions being made. Awful. Just awful.
The two sides of this debate will never be solved. Each opinion, does merit at least some hard facts. Not vaccinating your child indeed waves obvious side effects. (Many of which, or worse can be found in almost everything you come in contact with throughout your entire life.) Vaccinating your child can lessen the risk of contracting or spreading (provided you aren’t already a carrier) “said disease” or could aide in fighting it off. However, you risk the side effects.Since everyone has done a great job of siting facts throughout this thread, I will limit my fact finding to ONE. Disease. Is not a debate. It is a real fact. There are no fool proof ways of escaping sickness. This is one FACT everyone CAN and SHOULD agree on. As a living being you assume risks every single day you are still alive. Although I can agree with theories around the CDC not divulging everything, I, like most people know that there was a time, not long ago where medicine was not so modern and people lived much smaller life spans. Was medicine/ vaccines the sole reason for early on-set death in every case? Emphatically NO! However, it was a largess part of the problem. The only difference between vaccinating and not vaccinating is when you vaccinate, you take a scientific risk that you will lessen your chances of contracting or potentially spreading the disease. Sure, you could already be a carrier- but, you control what you can control and the more people who are vaccinated the less likely to contract, or ability to recover improves. Not vaccinating keeps you 100% safe from potential side effects and provides the opportunity to strengthen your immune system through everyday exposure, but fully risk contracting or spreading the disease and knowingly risking lives of others around you. Again neither is fool proof. To both sides of the coin, more than likely, no matter what you choose, you assume a great risk- this, totally dependent on your very own body. I agree wholeheartedly that It is a tragic thing to hear stories on both sides, or worse to have endured suffering or death because of either choice. On a final note, as mentioned above- I do find some uneasy truths mentioned above about CDC thought provoking… I thought to myself while reading all of the comments-“What if instead of thinking that vaccines were a sneaky trick….we thought that the real underlying problem is that we won’t ever stand together as a selfless community and so we will never actually cure any deadly disease? If the passion found in this thread could be put to an effective use… it would be incredible the things we could impact in the world.
Great comment!
I DID think you were funny, and DID plan on reading your book, but not anymore. Your research is one-sided and all from one source. How about some of the side effects of the vaccines? Humor doesn’t help you out on this one, sorry.
You lose all credibility…swearing to try to get your point across makes you sound like a 5 year old throwing a temper tantrum. Grow up and worry about your own kids not everyone else’s. Choices YOU make every day can expose your kids to diseases but your still gunna live life your way. I think there are larger things to worry about in life than trying to get everyone else to vaccinate their kids.
This just makes me so sad. I’ve always loved your site….until today.
Wow you are so intelligent that all you can do it use cuss words. So glad I wasted my time reading your blog. Do you think people who don’t vaxx trust the CDC. Maybe you should find other people who aren’t part of the big parma to do your research on. Oh and maybe we should talk to obama about letting so many foreigners into our country. Because I’m pretty sure those are the ones bringing back the diseases, not the unvaccinated. I think many parents just try to make themselves feel better for putting crap into their kids, by saying that scientist and doctors tell me their safe. BULL CRAP! Newsflash! The government, doctors, ect, aren’t really looking out for us.
You should read this
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3926122/
“Measles virotherapy has recently emerged as a safe and highly promising experimental approach to the treatment of human cancer.”
Preach, Sister! Amen!!
The fact that drug companies are completely financially protected from lawsuits resulting from injuries sustained using their vaccines is the scary part. The VICP is so bogged down in red tape, and keeps those who have been injured quiet is a travesty. The pharmaceutical companies don’t have any incentive to improve their drugs or ensure they’re safe when they don’t have to worry about being sued.
You pro-vaxxer’s can hem and haw all you want about herd immunity, yada yada. My daughter had a severe reaction to her first round of shots, and the Doctors gave us a cold shoulder. Let’s play this out…I take both my kids and get them caught up on all recommended vaccines, cause I’m a terrible parent and wasn’t listening to or caving to social media pressure…My son handles it ok, maybe a fever, but nothing major, but my daughter develops some major health issue, (Encephalitis for example) that is obviously connected to the vaccines you are all up in arms about us giving our kids. As a parent, I have NO RECOURSE. Please, tell me again how I’m ruining your life?
Everyone is so quick to trust the government and scientists…well the government can be wrong about a lot of things and the Nazi’s had scientitst’s…
What should we think about what these scientists have to say on the internet? http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/about/
Nice blog. Trying to reason with stupid people who listen to Jenny McCarthy and the like is a waste of time. Perhaps if we’re lucky the stupid people will die off. Go Darwin!
I made my choice not to vaccinate with both our family doctor and immunologist backing me on that choice.
Some people(children) just cannot and/or should not be vaccinated. The sooner people wake up and realize that if it were 100% safe then it would be legalized. But since vaccines are not 100% without risk, the government will not make it mandatory.
I doubt there will ever be enough proof to say vaccines are 100% safe because immunity is just one of those things that alters between generations and strains of diseases change and mutate.
So Darwin was right, those who adapt NATURALLY will survive.
Not those that were forced to adapt and evolve.
Thanks for this post. I was a youngster back in the days BEFORE the MMR vaccine (yup, I am old.). I had all three illnesses and both versions of the measles were dreadful. To make matters worse, I passed the measles along to my 3 month’s pregnant mother. Because of my mom having the measles at this point in her pregnancy, my baby sister was born deaf in one ear and has 60% hearing loss in the other ear. A few kids in the neighborhood were hospitalized. I hope people get their children vaccinated. Ask your parents (or grandparents) how bad it was when these illnesses were common place in the U.S..
As a mommy who can’t have one of my triplets vaccinated due to medical issues, I LOVED this article!!!! I will be reading more for sure!! Thank you for being a big voice for us mommies that struggle!!
Sigh……immunocompromized children including those with cancer actually have a more rigorous vaccination schedule than healthy children. Children with cancer can be and are vaccinated and they are re vaccinated. It is rare a child who CAN’T be vaccinated and those children generally can not be vaccinated because of reactions to the vaccine not because of health issues. Also healthy and vaccinated children also carry disease so a measles outbreak anywhere isn’t communicated JUST by non vaccinated children. A vaccinated child can transmit it to a non vaccinated child.
You should understand what you’re writing about before you write about it. You can find the suggested course and frequency of vaccinations for immunocompromized kids on I believe the CDC website.
I say this as a parent of healthy vaccinated children.
What kind of immunocompromised kids are you talking about? And what types of vaccines are you talking about??? At this point in time, most pediatric transplant centers do NOT allow live vaccines – like the MMR – for pediatric organ transplant patients – those kids must rely on herd immunity. For these families, a measles outbreak is utterly terrifying. Measles has a 30% mortality rate for children with liver transplants.
I say this as a parents of a child on immunosuppression.
Im curious why you have it out for a mother that didn’t vaccinate her kid when its estimated over 50% of the population isn’t up to date on their shots and can be a carrier for just about anything…
There are natural immunities we are missing out on because of vaccines:
Passive Immunity: I’ll use Chickenpox as my example: I’m really glad that I had the wild type – natural chicken pox and not the vaccine as a child. This means that I was protected and more importantly, my baby was protected when I was pregnant. it also means my babies were protected at a time they were the most vulnerable to having complications if they caught the disease (when it is too early to get the vaccine – under 1 year).
Active Immunity: My kids will not get the chickenpox vaccine and I hope that they do come in contact with the disease so that they can develop their own natural immunity. My daughter will then be able to pass it along to her infants and her babies through breastfeeding.
Wild type boosting: Your active immunity is maintained by being exposed to a virus. You won’t develop the virus if you’ve already had it but each time you are exposed to the real thing it boost your immunity. So when my kids come down with chickenpox, it will help me maintain my own immunity, just by being exposed to the virus again.
Unfortunately without natural immunity, we have created a population that is now dependent on repeated vaccinations, leaving infants and the elderly vulnerable…..
You read Bob Sears book didn’t you? Not even certified lactation consultants believe that. http://kellymom.com/bf/can-i-breastfeed/meds/vaccine-protection/
MMR doesn’t require boosters. TDaP is the only adult vaccine that requires a booster every ten years and more frequently if pregnant or around infants. Adults go get your booster. But adults behind in their boosters will vaccinate when they become aware of the need especially when they are motivated by the arrival of an infant. Vaccine refusers are a far more serious problem precisely because they refuse and their refusal motivated by false beliefs.
There is no such thing as natural immunity. You acquire immunity either by suffering through disease or by skipping the suffering part and being vaccinated. No matter how immunity is acquired, disease or vaccine, the antibodies are indistinguishable.
Passive immunity is simply maternal antibodies passed in vitro and it doesn’t matter how they were acquired and the levels of maternal antibodies start to drop off in the weeks following birth until they disappear by about 6 months. Disease acquired do decline slightly later than vaccine acquired but however this protection is acquired it is hardly absolute and the infant may be at risk during outbreaks making important to keep up vaccination rates to prevent outbreaks.
You chose a very poor example of chicken pox to demonstrate active and wild type boosting showing your lack of understanding. Once you have chicken pox you have it for life and the Varicella virus hides in your nerves and is kept in check by your immune system. It can become active later in life, usually in seniors, when your immune response is weakened. This is what is known as shingles and is said to be extremely painful. 30% of those who had chicken pox infections will have shingles. You can get a shingles vaccine to protect yourself.
The problem with wild type infections, your active immunity, is that it carries all the attendant risks of the pathogenic disease including severe illness, disabilities and death that vaccines do not. Measles is especially dangerous with 10-30% requiring hospitalization, 1-20 having some form of permanent harm (vision or hearing loss, lung scarring, brain damage and more) and 1-3 in 1000 cases being fatal. Pertussis, whooping cough, is also known as the 100 day cough and it is known for breaking ribs in adults and killing infants. It was once thought that measles immunity was lifelong but while measles was endemic people were always reexposed. It is too soon to tell whether additional adult MMR boosters may be necessary, but since the vaccine is exceedingly safe this is a nonissue to the reasonable.
You are completely Incorrect. My mother got her lifetime natural immunity without getting the disease or the vaccine. She got it from being around her brothers who had the measles. One of my 5 brothers also got immunity from being around the rest of us who were symptomatic. No one in my family was every vaccinated. There is NO documentation whatsoever, even from the cray pro-fax side that states natural immunity is not lifelong.
“The problem with wild type infections, your active immunity, is that it carries all the attendant risks of the pathogenic disease including severe illness, disabilities and death that vaccines do not.”
Have you ever been on the VAERS database? Its only estimated that less than 10% of all serious reactions are reported. I dont have the MMR numbers handy, but take a look at the DTaP numbers and tell me that vaccines are 100% safe.
http://vaxtruth.org/2015/01/pertussis/
while people do shed virus after receiving the vaccine, they are not NEARLY as contagious as the people who have the real infection.
Chicken pox wild type is associated with more zoster which is debilitating and the rates of zoster are much lower with the vaccine. I felt the same way about chicken pox vaccine until I saw kids die from it and children born deformed and damaged from mothers having it while pregnant.
Get your advice from TRAINED experts as a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing.
Prior to the release of the vaccine most would contract the disease in childhood. The Herpes-Zoster virus would then remain dormant in the central nervous system through adulthood. Being exposed to children with Chicken Pox through various means would act as a natural booster to the disease and it would stay at bay. As we aged and were in less contact with the wild Chicken Pox virus it would sometimes be reactivated in the form of Shingles. This is why the Shingles vaccine is recommended for those that are 60+ years of age. Well now that the vaccine has been in circulation we have seen an increase in Shingles in those in their 20’s and 30’s, as well as some in their teens. This is because we are no longer being regularly exposed to the virus which acted as it’s own booster. This is why you see them now adding Varicella boosters to the recommended schedule. Its getting ridiculous. Everyone over 30 in entire family has had chicken pox along with everyone over 50 having had both mumps and measles- nothing damaging or debilitating here.
thank you for this! i totally agree i work with a little girl that has down syndrome and it effects her to yes she can have vaccinations but her immune system still is bad so she gets every little sickness and is sick a lot and its bullshit that others don’t think of children who can’t have a vaccine or can easily get sick from children who don’t get vaccinated i feel a lot of people who don’t vaccinate are actually not reading credible sources about it i think they are being led on by false accusations because most of my friends who don’t its because they think the CDC is lying or that they don’t want there kids to get autism! PEOPLE NEED TO LEARN THAT EVERYTHING ONLINE ISN’T TRUE!!
Straight from the FDA. Although this is for the DTaP shot Tripedia, under adverse reactions you will Autism and SIDS. If you look hard enough you will find these things…
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM101580.pdf
That would be the package insert, these are legal documents and pharmaceutical companies are required to report all adverse events that happen during clinical trials without respect to causality. They are frequently not updated as post license studies are completed. This explains it more.
http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/vaccine-package-inserts-debunking-myths/
The vaccines cause autism was a fraud and vaccination has been shown to reduce the risk of SIDS.
If you want to post a blog Ill just continue reply by saying “No, laying your baby on its back was shown to reduce the risk of SIDS.”
Kristen didn’t finish reading the paragraph and did not understand what the paragraph actually means. Here is the part she didn’t read, ” it is not always possible to reliably estimate their frequencies or to establish a causal relationship to components of Tripedia vaccine.” – See more at: https://babysideburns.com/2015/01/vaccinate-measles/#comment-8171
Being an 85 year old retired pediatrician I know the value of immunizations. During my life time I saw a boy die nearby from diphtheria and later in practice saw people die with a myriad of diseases. Several with measles and others with brain damage who did survive. Also saw children die with polio, meningitis, encephalitis, meningeal coccus sepsis, and even with chicken pox and mumps which we usually think are quite benign diseases. It is too bad that so many charlatans continue to spread false material about the risks
of immunizations. Nothing In life is completely safe and yet we are willing to ride in cars and airplanes without thinking much about it. Then when some crackpot makes up lies such as happened in England we are only too happy to use it as support for putting out lies. Yes, there are some occasional adverse reactions but the immunizations are so much safer than letting your child go through life brain damaged from having experienced some easily preventable disease. Ron Lechelt, MD
And I suppose you all believe in the “Big Band Theory” as well?
Bang
I do i do! I vaccinate and god is a lie. I believe in science!
From someone with infants and in a city with confirmed cases, THANK YOU.
You said “a shot that science has proven to be totally SAFE.” Are you kidding me? You need to do some more research. THE VACCINE CAN CAUSE DEATH!! Read here… http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm#mmr
How dare you call it “totally safe”! Other things listed as potential side effects are Deafness, Long-term seizures, coma, or lowered consciousness and PERMANENT BRAIN DAMAGE!!
I am not a quack. I am informed. I think it is awful that a well read person like yourself would say something like that when it is absolutely not true.
By the way, “I-listen-to-the-smart-scientists” are you aware that vaccines are not research effective because they are not subjected to double-blind placebo controlled studies using a saline solution that is the standard for evidence-based medicine. Vaccinations are tested against other vaccinations, adjuvants, and complex vaccinations – this not only yields inaccurate results but altered and inaccurate safety data. How can you know if something is truly safe if it is not tested against a placebo?
This issue is 1000% times more complex then you try to boil it down here. Please do some more research.
Yes!! Great response!!
Joshua….Excellent…There is more evidence of the damages caused from vaccinations than helping prevent disease. The single deaths occurred through measles are less than 1% under age 2 years of age. While even people who get MMR vaccinations still get the measles…So what is up with that? People who get the Flu shots still get the flu. Are we really preventing disease and while maybe the polio shot might be useful if we lived during a time that polio is prevalent.
LET’S MAKE THIS KNOWN: Anti-Vaxers are not against vaccinations entirely. We are concerned about the amount of vaccines and how their being manufactured and preserved in India. We are concerned about giving so many shots to infants and toddlers. We are needing to change our methods of deciding on who is health for getting vaccinations and why it is your liberal right to vaccinate or not vaccinate puts no risk to the majority of people. It was proven by religious groups like the Amish, who do no vaccinate their children are autistic free, unless their adopted through outside sources…YES THIS IS A FACT!!!
No it is not a fact. The Amish do indeed vaccinate their children, and the rates of Autism is the same in the Amish populations.
http://blogs.plos.org/thepanicvirus/2011/06/28/anecdotal-amish-dont-vaccinate-claims-disproved-by-fact-based-study/
Do you know anyone personally whose child has suffered a vaccine injury? I do. Do you know who runs the CDC? The government – it isn’t free from political influence and all that entails.
I’m not anti-vax, but I do think you must know what you are putting into your children’s bodies.
If you are going to research the issue you will need to read more than just the CDC.
https://leviquackenboss.wordpress.com/2015/01/11/which-vaccines-and-why-part-1/
While vaccines may cause a temporary spike in fever for some, it can in most cases be easily managed with Tylenol. So the fever debate really makes no sense to me. Would you rather a fever or Polio? Come on people. Vaccinate your kids. Not just for them, but for everyone.
For those that think you are not risking anything by not immunizing your kid, you’re wrong. You’re risking the lives of the kids who can’t get it due to immuno suppression. And you know what happens when we come in contact or are near kids who don’t have the vaccination and get sick? We have a stronger potential of getting sick because of your misinformed decision. We’re the ones who get pulled out of school and get punished for your decision to not immunize your kid. I’ve had this happen twice to me and both times I’ve been made to feel guilty because I don’t have the vaccination because I am unable to have it, not because I don’t want it.
I pray none of you ever step foot in a transplant center where your decision can seriously impact other children. Go talk to an actual doctor about vaccines and stop trusting the Internet and anecdotes for your information.
Thats funny because this study says otherwise
http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2012/03/13/cid.cis307
You’re the a*s-hats out there spouting a bunch of bullshit on the Internet and not stopping to think your bullshit might actually be killing children!!! I’m sorry, I’m usually quite tactful but I’m tired of being bullied by morons!! Do your research damnit! The people who choose to not vaccinate are typically highly educated parents who have done thorough research, parents who choose to vaccine don’t do a lick of research. Bet you didn’t know that polio was virtually eradicated a good year before the vaccine was even created. Can you tell me the last time someone DIED from the measles??? Can you tell me the last time someone died from a vaccine? Probably yesterday. Look up the VAERS website and you’ll be inundated with vaccine injuries and those are the ones that are actually reported! It is none of your d**n business to be telling parents what they should and shouldn’t do with their kids especially when the d**n vaccine doesn’t even work! Look who’s getting the measles, vaccinated people! And that herd immunity is bull s**t, it’s merely a theory. You know how many adults are walking around without measles immunity? The vaccine has an expiration date and you’re blaming us moms who aren’t vaccinating our kids. The only people that are immuned to the virus are the people who have actually contracted it. It’s ok for you to say all this because your child(ren) haven’t been collateral damage (yet) from vaccines. Educate yourself you useless t*t and quit bullying us; it’s not working, if anything it’s giving us a stronger stance against vaccines so congratulations.
Wow, your post clearly shows how educated your are in the subject /sarcasm
I understand your anger and frustration. You speak the truth my friend.
How ironic then that everyone in my field (epidemiology) and those related to it (immunology, bacteriology, virology, pathology, veterinary, straight medical, etc.) vaccinate their children. I don’t know a single person in those fields who doesn’t. And just because someone is highly educated or wealthy doesn’t mean that they’re qualified or trained to make sound decisions in a field completely disconnected from their own. Most general engineers, sociologists, economists, etc. don’t know the difference between a virus or bacterium. And seriously, herd immunity doesn’t exist?
You need to take remedial biology and statistics. Everything in your post is bad, faulty science that would be torn to shreds by my professors. You know, the experts who’ve dedicated their lives to studying these diseases and their treatments.
I can say the exact same thing as you because I am a keyboard warrior on the internet who can be whatever I want.
Those people in your field, over 99.9999% of them have likely not revealed for public perusal the vaccination cards of their children so your statement is hearsay. How many people in those fields have you asked to see their child’s vaccination card? How many people are there in those fields altogether? What percentage does that equal?
Believe it or not, not everyone on the internet is fake. Some of us are actually college educated in the scientific fields. And we won’t use our full names because trolls will literally try to harass us, which has happened to some of my colleagues. Also, my field isn’t very large, and most epidemiologists know each other, personally or through other connections. And I’ve yet to meet one who hasn’t vaccinated nor heard anyone speak of one who hasn’t. This isn’t anecdotal in a puny field like ours. Stuff like this comes up at conferences and seminars all the time.
While you’re at it, compare the information in your posts to the hundreds or thousands of peer-reviewed articles and studies that have been conducted on vaccines and the human immune system. You are, quite simply, in opposition to all of them. And they’re simple to find; just go to your local library or university library website, and look some of them up. WebOfScience, PubChem, PubMed, MedLine, and ProQuest are all very good databases to find them.
As for actual journals, Global Public, Emerging Infectious Diseases, Reviews in Medical Virology, Journal of Infectious Diseases, Royal Society B-Biological Sciences, Mathematical and Computer Modeling of Dynamical Systems, Eurosurveillance, New England Journal of Medicine, Journal of Virology, etc. are all excellent sources of peer-reviewed information on this subject. I don’t even need to say anything on here; these journals and their findings say everything necessary to prove my point.
And yes, these are confirmed experts, if you’re worried about the information. Every journal has its authors and their credentials listed, so you can make sure they’re not keyboard warriors.
Just becauze the CDC says it’s safe doesn’t mean it always is.I mean there is that saying that states, you can’t always believe what you hear.
You’re reasoning is idiotic. Point blank. Usually I refrain from saying things like that but for someone who is telling people to “do their research,” why don’t you take your own advice. Not EVERY SINGLE parent who doesn’t vaccinate is afraid of autism or chemicals or whatever you said. Maybe their child is vaccine injured. Have you ever thought of that? Maybe their child had a severe vaccine reaction that almost cost their child their life. But their life doesn’t matter, right? The thing that always gets me is pro vaccine people are always so quick to judge. They don’t even “do the research” or ask someone why they don’t vaccinate their child. They just go ahead and assume it’s because parents are afraid of autism or something of that nature. And you know what, I also feel drs are a hell of a lot smarter than I am. So explain to me why a DOCTOR gave my son a vaccine he should have never gotten, as a per the CDC and the vaccine manufacturer. The actual insert says children with chronic bowel disorders should not receive this vaccine. Either the dr was stupid, ignored the guidelines, or didn’t know the guildines. And guess what happened? That vaccine left my child, who just had major bowel surgery 6 weeks before that vaccine, severely sick and damaged in the hospital. Thanks dr for being smart and doing your job! Thank you “a*s hat” dr.
On the subject of measles, you should do a little more research and see the case on the east coast, that is all over the news. That case is not related to the Disneyland outbreak but rather the child was recently vaccinated for MMR and came down with measles. They even admit that the vaccine caused it. So how do you explain that? It’s ok for a vaccinated child to come down with it and possibly spread it? What makes you think this isn’t happening other places. Afterall, the MMR is a “live” vaccine. Read the package insert and see where it says it is possible to shed the virus.
There is no right or wrong when people make their decision based off OF THEIR EXPERIENCE. And people that perpetuate the “anti vaccine” hate, like yourself, should do a little more research and not make assumptions.
Did you know the US has one of the highest vaccine rates and highest number of vaccines given? And we are also one of the sickest nations. Has anyone ever thought about the huge increase in autoimmune diseases, childhood cancers, GI disorders, speech delays, learning issues, and yes autism. Go and look up the ingredients in vaccines and then look up each individual ingredient and read on it. Oh formaldehyde is in vaccines? Oh formaldehyde is a known carcinogen and respiratory suppressant. How about that! And that is only one ingredient. Things in “trace” amounts actually aren’t trace amounts if you multiple the number of vaccines given at one time. MMR, hep, chicken pox, or whatever else at one time. Gee that’s a lot of trace amounts! Did you know autoimmune diseases are caused by inflammation? How do you think the body and immune system get “inflamed?” Once again, look up those ingredients and see how they can affect you.
Wonderful response, BEE.
(From a parent whose son became paralyzed overnight with Transverse Myelitis after receiving vaccinations)
And yes… Transverse Myelitis is something that is ACKNOWLEDGED as being a side effect of vaccinations. http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/index.html
Do you know where I can read about the child on the east coast you mentioned that actually got measles from MMR? I was trying to find it but you know how those articles get buried under 100 others telling people to get vaccinations.
http://news.sciencemag.org/health/2014/04/measles-outbreak-traced-fully-vaccinated-patient-first-time
Great response! I wish I could have been as tactful as you, my blood was boiling over.
Completely understandable. I get so extremely upset at the incorrect uninformed things people keep saying about this topic. I’ll tell you what though… there’s been plenty of fact based logical thinking presented by informed people in these comments that it put a big smile on my face!
Very well said, Bee. It’s crazy to me that so many parents refuse to ask questions and just blindly accept what the “professionals” tell them. The US has infant mortality rates approaching those in developing countries; we have the highest rates of asthma, autism, ADD, ADHD of almost any other country and lead the world in obesity. Yet we march right along, following like sheep. The ex-head of Monsanto is now the head of the FDA. Does anyone on this blog question what the FDA is saying now? Really? No one? You trust the guy who helped to create GMO’s to tell you they are perfectly safe? Not to get off the subject but that is just one glaring example of where your government officials have very good reasons not to tell you the truth. Go ahead, people, eat your frakenfood then wonder why you’re obese and sick. geesh, people – ask some questions!
Bee! Not only do I love that “name” but j think I love YOU! Thanks for saying what so many of us think. When I saw my child go limp and gasp for air right after his one and only MMR shot, it nearly broke my heart in two. My father is a cardiologist and he warned me not to do the vaccinations. I had the same reaction as my son but I didn’t know it until after his shots. People think we are so stupid but until you’ve been in that position, I say stop talking and certainly don’t tell me what to do! I didn’t fear autism (tho I knew the risk), I watched my son get very sick from the vaccination! I’m sick of being beat up for it.
That made my day!
Tell that to the mother who’s child died from a vaccination.
Give ONE example where a child has died from MMR vaccination.
http://youtu.be/mOnukyFrHuM
Here’s “one”….of many you could find simply by typing G-o-o-g-l-e into your browser…. http://www.ageofautism.com/2008/10/settlement-in-d.html
O ya i totallyy trust the cda. Lmao not!!! Dumb c**t.
If your child has a compromised immune system, you need to protect them from potential harm. If your child is healthy vaccinate if you feel so inclined. I myself choose not to use antibiotics or a few of the vaccines that my healthy children could fight. I made an educated decision. I do not condone a death injection, some of them are. Do the research. My children are now grown-up but if you had dared to approach my child your poor choices would have ended that day.
Ignorant mother’s continue to amaze me. You are endorsing something you won’t do to your own kid. I hope she get measles for the sake of your ridiculous fear of measles. Tough cookie, maybe you were an unhealthy alcoholic pig causing your kid cancer in the womb, now you want others to protect your mistake. Get a life woman.
A child or adult who has been vaccinated can still carry the disease and pass it to an infant, elderly or one with poor immunity! So to say the Disneyland measles outbreak was caused by an unvaccinated child is not necessarly true! This is just what “They” want you to believe to push vaccines even more and scare people. The people who became infected were vaccinated and they got it! Everyone needs to be properly Informed and we need to support each families decision whether they vaccinate or not. Unvaccinated children are not threats! Like I said before, vaccinated children/people can carry the disease (and be immune to it) and infect people!!!
Well said!
http://news.sciencemag.org/health/2014/04/measles-outbreak-traced-fully-vaccinated-patient-first-time
There are a LOT of reasons to avoid vaccines. Not everyone who delays or selectively vaccinates thinks that vaccines cause autism. And as a side note, I had the MMR booster as an adult and 3 years later came down with the mumps. So, I got the chemicals and the disease. Lucky me!
This is true. My grandparents and parents chose not to vaccinate WAAYY before there was an internet, autism (like it is now) or Jenny MacArthy.(sp?) it was a decision based on GOOD gut instinct. All of my siblings (except for one but interestingly enough, just being exposed gave him lifetime natural immunity) and I got measles – thank goodness! We are all immune for life and those of us that became moms, passed on that immunity to our infants, while they are the most vulnerable. My mother also obtained lifetime natural immunity just by being exposed to her brothers’ measles. BTW, that’s the REAL and CORRECT definition of herd immunity, as opposed to the term being thrown around today.
I have to add here, as well. All those doctors that so many of you are happy to say are sooooo much smarter than you, well have you counted up all the times they’ve been wrong? They said to give antibiotics to everything; now we have superbugs. They said Fluoride was safe; now studies show it is not. They said “stay out of the sun” now we learn that that is causing severe vitamin D deficiency in a whole generation of kids. They said that tylenol was safe for kids; now they are pulling it off of shelves. They said not to eat egg yolks, butter, or avocados because it will cause high cholesterol; now we find out they were so, so wrong. (BTW, I’m using the term “we” to be nice… my parents, grandparents, cousins, ME, and many others I grew up with, never did fall for any of these. For our choices we were considered quack, conspiracy theorists. Now we are proven to be right. The same will, forgive me, IS, happening with vaccines.)
THANK YOU!!! YES, YES, YES.
You’re so right. Never in history has science proven to be wrong after years and years of believing something was right. The world is flat you know. You place your faith so blindly in the CDC who makes a profit off of flu vaccines??? And did you realize that their studies did not take into effect MTHFR genetic mutations that are commonly found in children with autism. This one little thing that they fail to test for prior to administering vaccines with preservatives that these kids can not methylate from there bodies. Blind ignorance from someone who obviously has never raised a child who was perfectly normal and then crashed after receiving a vaccine.
“MTHFR genetic mutations that are commonly found in children with autism.” I’m mostly pro-vaccines, but I think you’ve hit on an underlying idea here. This testing should be more widely available, since what you mentioned is one of the only scientific-backed reasons for going unvaccinated. Genetic predisposition in this area is a real concern; it’s a very tiny percentage BUT it’s “real enough” that education about this testing should be more wide-spread. If everyone who was worried about it could get tested first then it would ease their worries and we’d end up with a higher vaccination rate over-all!
I appreciate that this is a very touchy subject matter. I think it is up to the parents and their physician, and that parents are doing their very best. It is small consolation to the tiny percentage of parents who have a child with a terrible life altering reaction to a vaccine that they did the right thing for the herd. It is also hard to be a parent of an imunocompromised child with an illness that keeps him/her from being vaccinated and have something vaccine preventable passed on by a seemingly healthy child. The answer is not black and white. I have identical twins. One had a terrible VAERS reported reaction to 6 month shots. The other did not. One the pediatrician has said not to vaccinate further. The other does not have the same alibi. However, research into vaccine reactions shows that they can get worse with subsequent vaccines. So… Do I vaccinate a child with the exact DNA of one that reacted so badly in hopes that this won’t be her turn? Do I abstain and deal with this type of societal scorn and forever worry that she will get a bad illness? How will I feel if my healthy one has as bad or worse reaction as her sister to subsequent vaccination? Why do I feel society is all for pressuring me to play Russian roulette with my kids? Why all the judgement and anger at a mom like me who just wants both her kids to be healthy? I am so very tired of all these opinions from people with no clue about BOTH sides.
Thank you! Now can we please put a halt to the self righteous individualistic bullshit tone that our culture has been sliding towards for the last decade? It’s called the greater good people! Vaccines, taxes (within reason), healthcare, teaching your kids not to be assholes…pick one.
AMEN AMEN AMEN AMEN. It blows me away, the nastiness that crops up the second a concerned parent of an immunosuppressed child (cancer, for God’s sake) dares to bring up an issue of greater good…and people dog-pile on, ranting about their personal rights being taken away and what the mother must have done to MAKE HER CHILD HAVE CANCER. Jesus.
Nice. Enjoyed this as an RN.
Wow.
What a joke. This is what your blog is aiming to be, right?
Im going to leave alone the fact you toyed with your children having cancer.
But ‘ve out of your 2 bedroom apartment, get a real job and educate yourself on vaccines.
Do you know what the ingredients are?
do you know how many adverse reactions are documented every month?
Have you seen a bad vaccine reaction?
Do you think for yourself?
Do everyone a favour, including your children and everyone else whose your bs blogs pop up on social media feeds:and educate your poor little underused brain to the fact that vaccines aren’t for everyone. Im not going to pump my child with chemicals and synthetic poison in fear.
Your blog sucks.
Why are you so worried about your healthy vaccinated child catching the measles? If you believe that vaccinating your child is the right thing to do….then there should be no worry for you! Your child has the measles vaccine…they can no longer catch the measles from my stupid un vaccinated child, right? Just like the flu, you don’t want your child around my child because she didn’t get the flu vaccine? Well thats silly! Your child received theirs…they should be safe! You wouldn’t sit down for dinner tonight with a glass full of formaldehyde and mercury, would you? Well I wouldn’t shove that into my childs arm either.
Amen
LOVE THIS. When I was pregnant with my first child the doctors discovered that for some reason my vaccination for German Measles didn’t take. I had no immunity to it. So very dangerous for my then unborn babe. No big deal I figured … but of course I was wrong… since according to my doctor there were several active cases of German Measles in my area. Makes a momma nervous…. all because there were people out there who decided not to vaccinate their kids. I avoided all kids with runny noses… but in the end managed to avoid the illness and was vaccinated promptly after I gave birth to my healthy baby. It is easy to have the opinion that vaccinations are not necessary when we live in a part of the world/time when people don’t see the ravages of the very diseases kids are being vaccinated for.
I don’t give a flying f**k what the CDC says. Until, or when, you vaccinate your kid, and you watch the decline right in front of your eyes – your opinion on what’s right with my child is none of your buisness. When you watch your child from the age of 2 (right after getting the MMR vaccine) cry every single God d**n day, refuse to eat ANYTHING, struggle in everyday life and are generally unhappy, it tends to educate you outside of a money driven medical world. My son turned 13 today and it has been a difficult fight to help him be successful. I am also a nurse. I’m not dumb, I’m educated, and I will not ever vaccinate another one of my children again for anything. I support people who vaccinate their kids – go ahead! That’s your kid, and the wonderful thing about having your own kid is you get to make your own decisions pertaining to said child. That road goes both ways, and I’ll be damned if anyone thinks they can judge my parenting. I’m not afraid of measels, I’m not afraid of chicken pox, hell Im not afraid of polio. I am afraid of the s**t they put in vaccines. If they want to take out the heavy metals, if they want to take out the MSG, if they want to take out the Cells that are harvested from calf fetuses, and they stop vaccinating against every little thing – then maybe we will talk. I won’t even get into the successful protection rate – that’s for another post. All I’ll say about that is the flu this year – that vaccine is working fantastically.
I agree.
Thank you for this!! I can’t stand the fact that there is still the fear that vaccinations cause autism. My baby boy is severely autistic and guess what, his vaccines didn’t cause it. Nope. He’s had it since day one and I knew before he was even vaccinated that he did. Agreed that moms need to take a little more stock in the studies that prove this. Instead they listen to a fad that paranoid mothers of autistic children started cause they needed to target their pain somewhere. Just love and protect your kids and other kids out there. They have these vaccines for a reason!!!
How the hell did you know he was autistic on day one? Hmmm.. maybe YOU can figure out why autism is on the rise.
I’m so sick of these articles… But not as sick as I was when I held my Son for two weeks after his severe reaction to his MMR, praying that he would come back to me. Thankfully, he came back. (No, I’m not talking about autism either) I will never risk it again. Everyone needs to stop judging. If you research and feel the risk of vaccinating is less than the risk of the diseases, then by all means, go vaccinate but ENOUGH judging those parents who have done the same research and come to a different conclusion. Most parents I know that don’t vaccinate, do that because at least one of their children already had a reaction to a vaccine. I will not risk my children’s lives a second time and how dare any of you ask me to. How dare you threaten to “tackle” my child and do it yourself! Your child will grow up without a mother if you dare attempt it, or at least one who is in jail for a very, very long time.
I hope your child never catches any of the horrible diseases, or the ones that are blown out of proportion and overly exaggerated about, either. I also hope your child never has a reaction to a vaccine. I do not not vaccinate my child in hopes of passing something (that we don’t have either) onto your child. I don’t do it because the doctors agree that the next shot could kill him, and that the risks outweigh the risk of the diseases. Calm your inner “Mommy Bear” and do what you can to protect your child with a healthy diet, sanitation, proper vitamins and minerals, proper HEALTH care (not just miracle pills) and if you so choose, use vaccines too. You cannot control those around you. You can only control what you do. Why do these articles all have to be filled with so much hate? I wish someone provax would write an article on how to increase your child’s immune system to help the vaccines work, or similar instead of continuing to spread all the hate.
Kristen didn’t finish reading the paragraph and did not understand what the paragraph actually means.
Here is the part she didn’t read, ” it is not always possible to reliably estimate their frequencies or to establish a causal relationship to components of Tripedia vaccine.”
I’d also like to share this message with mom’s of kids who enjoy peanut butter sandwiches. Because, heaven knows, I love my peanut butter, too. But just as I’ve learned not to pee anywhere but the restroom, you too can teach your children to enjoy these lovely snacks in the comfort of your own home and not mine. You see, peanuts can maim my sweet, lovely girl and possibly kill her best friend. So please, enjoy your peanuts, wash up your hands real good (as you probably should anyway after eating) and meet us at the playground. I’ll push your swing even. Let’s be (responsible) friends.
The MMR vaccine is not totally safe. Please don’t kid yourself. The MMR vaccine caused severe seizures in my child, seizures that left her blue, unresponsive and lifeless. That TINY risk almost killed my child and would have had we not found her and immediately done CPR. So Please, pretty please, don’t down play that TINY risk, that 1% of children effected by the side effects are early children, jut like the children getting measles, try are all real children who deserve to not have their situation belittled.
Lol, my immunologist thinks your too opinionated in things you know nothing about.
I personally think you’re a bully. Since the MMR vaccine put my baby in the hospital and then when I was told he suffered brain damage as a side effect of the vaccine and now he can’t be vaccinated, yet super opinionated people still feel the need to attack my family, friends and our team of specialists.
So yes, I vaccinated my son- it almost killed him but that’s ok. Now he won’t endanger anyone… But the plot thickens… Tests show that the MMR was not effective and he was not safe from measles, mumps or reubella.
He has since has the measles and even without the help of the vaccine, he was perfectly fine and fought off the measles without any complications.
So you are welcome for… Well, nothing I guess… Since the vaccine wasn’t effective and studies vary, but close to half the vaccinated people out are out there thinking that because the got to vaccine that they are vaccinated, lol, those poor ignorant people.
But to be fair, people like should thank me. I did what everyone wanted me to do, I vaccinated my baby, I almost killed him and now he has to carry out the rest of his life with brain damage.
Your welcome you b!tch 🙂
This is for all the people who keep saying the “CDC says there are no measles deaths!”:
Per the World Health Organization, there where 145,700 DEATHS from measles in 2013 world-wide. Even on the CDC site they say since 2008 there where 9 deaths from measles in France alone. Perhaps you should go read the CDC site again. If your basing your decision to allow Polio into your life on your “stats”…your quoted statistics do not match the CDC nor reality.
I would post direct links but most forums refuse to allow that, so just go to the CDC site and search for “measles mortality death” and make sure you unckeck the EID box. The very first result, first paragraph, second to last sentence: “During 2000–2008, global measles mortality declined by 78%, from an estimated 733,000 deaths in 2000 to 164,000 in 2008″
Lol. And you actually believe this.. so w ahould see at least one death from disney then given these statistics.
I wonder if everyone who had pox an measle parties when i was growing up contributed to these numbers. I don’t remember anyone dying from it 35 years ago…but hey…if the cdc puts these numbera on it….it must be true.
Now please add in what countries these deaths happened? It certainly wasn’t in places with quarantine programs, sanitation, clean living conditions, and clean water. These are the main reasons measles has decreased so much since the early 1900s. And that is why there is such a high prevalence of these diseases in other parts of the world like Africa and India BECAUSE there are millions of people living in poverty without access to clean living conditions or water.
If vaccinations work so well then why are you worried if a non vaccinated child would get your child sick
Did you even read the article? Because unvaccinated people allow the infection to spread to those who CAN’T get vaccinated and the unlucky 1% for whom the vaccines aren’t fully effective for. That’s why. I don’t give a s**t if your unvaccinated child dies or goes blind from measles — that’s the parent reaping what they sow. However, I do care if you infect my newborn infant due to your selfishness and stupidity.
You cannOt say that vaccines are totally SAFE when even the vaccine manufacturers list serious adverse reactions on their inserts. There are many, many kids who have suffered because of vaccines, yet you don’t hear about them. You hear about the small outbreaks that happen. Follow the money……
If you honestly believe there is no harm in vaccines take a look at the VAERS website data. This is a government run database to document adverse reactions to vaccines. Not only is the reported data shocking but the number of reports of improperly stored vaccine and the wrong vaccine being administered scares the S**T out of me! Even if Autism is taken out of the argument what about the cancer causing agents in these vaccines? Even the CDC states Formaldehyde is highly carcinogenic and the phosphates are another one. So they can say without a doubt that they don’t cause autism but no one will say they aren’t the reason childhood cancer is skyrocketing……
The drywall, insulation and paint in your house almost definitely contains formaldehyde too. But, apparently breathing in fumes from that over the course of your child’s life is OK I guess. Almost every commercial laundry soap and dish soap contains phosphates. Yep, that would be the stuff you wash your clothes in and wash your dishes with. But you are worried about an infinitesimally small amount in a vaccine? If it wasn’t for the severe risk to public health in general, the extent to which anti-vaxxers go to avoid the supposed “toxins” in vaccines even though they slurp, digest, breath, and bathe in those same toxins day-in-and-day-out would be comical. It’s like refusing to inject a drop of water into your arm while you guzzle and bathe in gallons of water.
There is a big difference between injecting something into your veins and breathing or eating something.
You do realize that don’t you? That wasn’t a good comparison. Go back to the drawing board and try again.
Vaccines are not intravenous, but intramuscular through the deltoid or the anterolateral region of the thigh. They are NOT injected into your veins. There’s a huge difference between the two. Very basic medical science here.
No one said vaccines were intravenous.
He said they were injected into your veins. That is the very definition of intravenous.
Seeing as how you know absolutely nothing about me, my home, my diet, or how I wash my dishes And clothes I think your argument is totally unfounded. What if I told you I live on a farm in a all natural log cabin, grow my own vegetables, raise my own beef and hunt, drink from a well and make my own soap. Do I believe this will prevent all exposure to toxins? No but I think the fewer we are exposed to the better, you may want to reconsider when you start making accusations. This could be my way of life.
Thank you!
Thank you for your post. My son does not have a spleen… So vaccinations are not nearly as effective… That being said, his health is at risk because of these non vaccinators. Thank you for standing up for these kids who were not able to standup for themselves.
I think that if somebody feels flu shots measles vaccines or any other shot is not right for there child than f**k all the rest of you and if your concerned keep you dam child inside I for one have zero faith in the health system it
is the most profitable business in the country right now and if you think they the scientist give a rat t**d about your kid you really need to pull your head out of your a*s and wake up it’s all financial period and the problem is we coddle our children and never let them get out and get dirty or scrape a knee and this makes us weak!!! To the Point where we now ha’ve to get that shot or die from some crazy illness
You are clearly very educated!
This is the most ignorant article written on the topic by someone who is clearly not educated.
Amen, Amen, Amen!!! I may punch the next person I see in the face who says they don’t vaccinate because they believe in obtaining “natural immunity” (WTF do you think a vaccine does exactly? — because that’s pretty much what it does!!!). Or who say their child’s immune system couldn’t handle “so many vaccines” — but they could handle full-blown measles? Or, they don’t like the “toxins” in shots (while they simultaneously chew on gum or drink a soda or pop a pill that contains SOME OF THE SAME F-ING INGREDIENTS)! I am so sick of the selfish and stupidity of parents who refuse to vaccine and I am SICK of being nice about it!
I’m so sick of ignorance. Comparing eating something to shooting it in your f*****g vein is VERY DIFFERENT, idiot!
DISEASES were decreasing SIGNIFICANTLY since the early 1900s and LONG before the MMR vaccination came around in the 60s. Stop attributing the elimination of the diseases to vaccinations when they had already steadily fallen by 80 F*****G percent before vaccinations were even around. DO SOME RESEARCH AND STOP MAKING S**T UP.
Well said!!! Great job. Funny and accurate.
Not to argue with people who believe in the vaccines, its your choice to get it or not but has anyone thought about the PROFESSIONAL hockey players that get the vaccine every TWO years with their physicals, 24 men that get those shots every two- four years have measles. All but one child in mexico has had vaccines, so that says measles has evolved and the vaccine is null and void
I would have loved to read the whole article but I cannot get past the language….and the hate…
There are a whole lot of people out there whose kids got vaccinated and are now permanently brain damaged…or dead. I am not talking about autism, or simple side effect. I am talking about permanent damages. So, even though I am going to vaccinate my daughter in a couple of months I don’t think I can point fingers to those parents. They are choosing what’s best for their kids and they love then just add much as you love your daughter.
I agree with you. I was just in a situation with my daughter where we thought for a minute that her vaccinations put her in the hospital. We had to do a lot of research on them, and what we found was very scary. Specifically the health care provider who told us face to face that no doctor will ever admit vaccinations are harmful because it’s “bad for business”. No doctor will ever diagnose any harm that came to a child as an affect of a vaccination, even if they know it did. That’s why all of the cases are undocumented. She said it’s impossible that all vaccinations have absolutely no affect. Just impossible.
i am THAT mom, my kids cannot get the vaccines (well, that’s not entirely true. They have had their vaccines, its just they don’t have the tools in their little bodies to actually make the antibodies, AKA immunity). My kids get IV injections twice monthly (when insurance is nice enough to approve it) and a little less often when I have to fork over the $1600 to pay for these lovely injections that protect my kids from the unvaccinated ones. Oh, here’s the kicker…my kids WILL DIE if they get anything that can be vaccinated against. Unfortunately, they may die from cancer regardless since their bodies don’t recognize cancers when they start to grow (that’s part of the immune system too). I digress…where I live there is a personal exemption law. This means kids can go to school without vaccines. But NOT MY KIDS. My kids can’t go to public school…too much risk. So they get the “privilege” of going to a private school where they can mandate that all kids have their vaccines. AT OUR EXPENSE. Wanna guess how much? $2500/month. Are we rich? NO, we are flat frigging broke, between treatments and private school, we don’t go on vacation, to disney on ice, hell when there are bad outbreaks they can’t even go to the park because the risk is too high. So, thanks a lot to the parents who have the “right” to send their kids to school without vaccines. I wish THEY would have to pay for my kid’s education.
Do you expect malls, airports, cinemas, bus stations, supermarkets, playgrounds and any other public place to inspect vaccination cards before allowing everyone in? You have to check adults too. Vaccination doesn’t equal immunization so you need to get antibody/titer tests mandated too. Do you have such disdain for parents who were previously pro-vaccination until a vaccine permanently injured their child? VICP has paid out almost 3 billion dollars to date to pro-vaccine families whose children were permanently injured following vaccination.
Really? Is it everyone else’s fault that your children have special needs? This is America there are a lot of things I would like to be different but I would never take someone’s right to parent their children the way they see fit. The opportunity to be a parent is your choice and when you made that choice you should have considered the possibility that it might not be all rainbows and unicorns. You are doing what you feel is necessary to protect your children, it isn’t anyone else’s responsibility to make your job easier. Respect others right to do what they feel is necessary to protect their children.
Everyone can have a different reaction to everything. There are blood disorders that make vaccinations have a negative reaction. Its not impossible. Every time i get my kid her vaccinations, i get a sheet of paper that tells me of possible side affects. They might be rare, but they are on the warning list because they happened to someones kid. And no one wants their kid to be the reason a new warning is added to that list. The reason the vaccine conversations are so touchy is because everyone thinks they are 100% right. I mean, no way the CDC would hide anything right? And there’s no way the parents that witnessed a serious reaction would lie. Everyone is right, and everyone is wrong, and if we didn’t have social media to make our opinions known, no one would care. This isn’t a new problem….people have been avoiding vaccinationso for decades. It’s just something to argue about on blogs and Facebook.
I don’t believe everything the government says….you shouldn’t either.
Nothing has been “debunked”, btw. AND, your vaccinated kid can still get it.
If you knew the amount of kids who DIE from.the vaccine, you’d rethink your statement ….but the CDC isn’t going to.part with that info easily.
I gotta say I don’t understand the hupala about measles in my childhood days if one of my friends got measles chicken pox or mumps our parents sent us over to get it over with you say theres no proof mmr vax is dangerous but the proof is in the pudding please explain autism don’t listen to people who you think know because nine times out of ten they have a financial benefit to say that.but you can belive someone who lived it.dont let other people scare you into doing something that may or may not be harmful follow your gut.
Yes!!!!!! Very well said and much needed! Thank you for having the guts to say what needed to be said even though the idiots will come out everywhere and argue it to the death. You rock baby sideburns!
I’m one of those moms on the fence about the MMR. My 15m old is up to date with all his shots but I skipped the MMR at the last visit. I’ve had a knot in my stomach since I got pregnant every time I think about it. I know it’s been debunked but I still fear it. With the current outbreak I’ve been getting closer to giving it to him. I read a lot online about it but what I’m confused about is what’s real and what’s not??? If I don’t do it and he gets the measles, I’ll hate myself. If I do it and he’s one of the few that has side effects, I’ll hate myself. It’s really hard to know what the right thing is to do.
Basing this statement off the amount of measles reported in the United States last year it is more then 26 times more likely you will be struck by lightening then get the measles.
Failing vaccines is probably the bigger contributor to all this if anything…
The outbreak at Disney is the only outbreak in recent history that actually had a higher rate of unvaccinated cases than vaccinated (Disney during peak season sees a million people a week, all in closed contact with each other, everything is hands on and you stand in lines for hours.. It’s a miracle this doesn’t happen more often)
But back to my point almost all outbreaks have 85% or above (some as high as 99%) of the sick are actually VACCINATED.. so getting vaccines no matter what you think the dangers may or may not be makes little difference in the real world.. The diseases where in decline BEFORE the vaccines where introduced, we have clean running water, better hygiene, better health care safe healthy food etc etc.. Those things are probably a more realistic reason to why we have very little measles in America (97% of all outbreaks are actually traced back to someone who traveled overseas and brought it here, 49% of that is from the Philippines) look at the morbidity rates in the link above for the countries considered “undeveloped” and you will see that this is true.. They have high vaccination rates and high morbidity, then compare that to developed countries and you will see that they have relatively low morbidity regardless of vaccination rates… I’ve spent many hours looking into this (avoiding the anti vaxxer propaganda) to find something solid and unbiased before making my decision…
I don’t judge and I don’t push either way but I do think making an informed decision is very important (and different for every scenario.. If you live in a place where there is lots of tourism like Disney for instance it’s probably a good idea to at the very least do a delayed schedule)
I can go on and on but I’ll leave it at that..
My step daughter in Mexico lost her 6 year old to measles a few years ago. What a heartbreak ! No, contrary to what you are probably thinking, she wasn’t a poor person south of the border who couldn’t afford to vaccinate her son.
She’s a very well educated college professor, very progressive and up with the times, with full medical coverage. She too was of the mind set that vaccinations do more harm than good.
It’s very sad that now she lives with the daily thought that maybe she should have vaccinated him. Her older child was traditionally vaccinated and when she made the decision to not vaccinate her son because it was the “common trend of the day” it caused havoc between herself and her husband.
I am not a medical professional and can’t say what is right or wrong for a family regarding vaccinations.. I am only telling you what happened in my family.
This is the most ignorant article if I can even call it that. It’s just some miserable, poorly educated woman who has appointed herself the guru of all things ‘parenting.’ Here’s an idea. Do some REAL research yourself lady. Actual research. World wide from all of the people you claim we should listen to. (And no I’m not referring to Jenny McCarthy) but doctors, scientists, specialists, etc these very ppl have statistics snd FACTS that paint s completely different picture. Nothing you pro vaccine folks churn out adds up. If vaccines work, and your kid is vaccinated why do you give a s**t about who isn’t? And please truly educate yourselves on herd immunity. Bc none of you parents are vaccinated from the d**n measles unless you’ve traveledbout of the country recently. So technically you are a d**n danger to society as well. Oh wait, you didn’t think that far, huh? The ppl getting sick the most and dying, kids and adults are 8 out of 10 vaccinated fools smh. Wake up. Do some d**n homework. Quit watching Fox News and believing everything you glance over on the Internet and do some f*****g homework. Quit being lazy!! That’s why this country is falling apart. Nothing but a bunch of drugged up, toxic laden zombies who can’t tell their a*s from a hole in the ground unless the government does it hit them. Newsflash. American medicine is co-opted!!! It’s not about you and your kids health. D**n dummies. Just like this 10 yr war in Iraq isn’t about terrororism, but greed, oil, conquering of land. But you probably think its about Isis and the scary ‘Taliban’. Pure comedy. Guess you think chemo is to help cure cancer too? Keep feeding your kids poison and injecting them with s**t you can’t even pronounce and then wonder why they’re all fucked up. Also look up the likelihood of measles killing a got d**n healthy child/person in America. This isn’t the 1800s. We have clean drinking water. Sanitation. And advanced medicine. Jesus.
Best response, she really has no idea what she’s talking about. Her idea of research is probably watching Doctor Oz and listing to the news.
IgnoranceIsNotBliss, thank you. I can rest easy now knowing not everyone on this feed is a complete idiot. You hit the nail on the head on so many issues.
No one wants to hear it, but the child who is the subject of this blog, wasn’t born with cancer were they? The parents probably shopped at the grocery store fed the kid something processed or cleaned with pretty smelling chemicals, or gave their kid chemical filled shot of MMR.
Unfourtunately the only sources you mention are from the cdc. You do realize the people who run the show also have stock in your great vaccines. You do realize that healthy kids can get it from those who are vaccinated as they can also be carriers. Where is there ONE independent double blind study done proving the safety?
When I read this I was confused, I thought I was about to read something informing. I was suprised though when I realized it was full of crappy opinions from someone who thinks attcking people for not conforming to there ideas is funny. First off parents have the right to not inject viruses into the developing immune system of there child.So what if parents aren’t vaccinating there children. The people you call “a*s hats” have valid reasoning in not approving vaccinations. There not spoon fed everything they hear from scientists.The next time you write I suggest writting less sarcastically;you lost all credibility because this looks more like a tantrum then an article.
So apparently the people who disagree with vaccines believe they know more that doctors who recommend this so when your kid gets sick or hurt why bring him or her to hospital because you obviously already know more than the medical professionals who have had extensive schooling and training
Logical fallacy/strawman argument – go back to the rock you crawled out of.
Dear Mom who wrote this article, are you aware that some children may be deathly allergic to the egg component of the MMR vaccine? Before you kill someone by tackling them to the ground and shoving a “big ole shot” of MMR vaccine into their bodies you might want to understand that protecting your baby bear might be a lot harder doing 25 to life in a penitentiary.
“so when your very healthy kid who can handle getting the measles spreads that s**t to my kid who can’t, guess what happens to my kid”
California has had 90%+ coverage for MMR for over 15 years, that is the level required for herd immunity. Why are you not attacking the government who you’re quick to cite on topics like vaccine safety for lying about what level of coverage is really required to acheive herd immunity? If it’s not 100% then why are you worried about someone not vaccinating? As long as the required 90% are vaccinated the CDC says you’re covered. Or are they lying? What else are they lying about? You realize when you cite the CDC as a source you’re citing the government regulatory agency tasked with ensuring high vaccine uptake. DOes that conflict of interests not bother you?
“That ONE study that said the MMR vaccine might cause autism has been totally debunked”
Which study was that? It can’t be the retracted Lancet study because if that’s the study you’re talking about then you left out the part about might cause autism in a small subset of children with a pre-existing gastrointestinal imbalance. That study obviously hasn’t been “totally debunked” because no-one has studied rates of autism between children with said pre-existing gastrointestinal imbalance who got MMR and children with said pre-existing gastrointestinal imbalance who did not. The only studies I’m aware of that supposedly discredit Wakefield et al’s study compared rates of autism between kids who got MMR and kids who didn’t, Wakefield’s study never said “MMR causes autism” therefore the Danish MMR studies don’t discredit Wakefield et al’s study.
“Or if you’re on the fence and you’re deciding what to do, don’t just research it. Make sure you’re reading what the RELIABLE experts say. Because there are a lot of a*s-hats out there who are spouting a bunch of bullshit on the Internet and they’re not stopping to think their bullshit might actually be killing children”
How about you cite a study from RELIABLE experts comparing overall health outcomes between fully vaccinated and fully unvaccinated children? Oh, such a study has never been done? Well then how about instead of looking at overall health outcomes if you can’t prove that vaccinating your kids is the overall healthier decision we just look at autism spectrum disorders. Can you please cite a study from RELIABLE experts comparing rates of ASDs between fully vaccinated and fully unvaccinated children? Oh, such a study has never been done? Seems to me that stating one way or the other what role vaccines play in ASDs is scientifically irresponsible, but that doesn’t stop vaccine fanatics from screaming the same mantra over and over about how safe vaccines are and about how many babies will die if we stop vaccinating.
England and Wales have their measles statistics online. A child is defined as someone who hasn’t yet hit puberty, in other words single-digit ages of 9 or less. In England and Wales there have been 109,000+ cases of measles since 1992 without a single child dying. 1992 was the last time a child died from acute measles.
If you’re so concerned about other kids and your kids and measles, given that the vaccine is clearly nowhere near as effective as originally stated (see Merck’s current court battles over the overstated efficacy of the Mumps component of MMR) and has never been promoted as 100% effective, why aren’t you taking the time to advise parents how best to TREAT measles should their fully vaccinated kids get it in order to lessen the risks of the serious complications you’re discussing?
“But thank God you didn’t risk your child by giving him a shot that science has proven to be totally SAFE”
Even the manufacturer wouldn’t make such a blatantly false statement, no vaccine is “totally safe”. If you think vaccines are ‘totally SAFE’ please explain why VICP has paid out almost 3 BILLION dollars to date to families of vaccine-injured children and not a penny of that has come from the manufacturers of the products.
Your child’s health rests on a bloody hell of a lot more than their vaccination status.
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Yes!
This is a great response. And also to the author, instead of counting on a bunch of other people to make sure your kid is healthy, why don’t you keep your kid home, feed him some veggies and boost his immune system? Why is it my responsibility to make sure your kid never gets sick?
As a young child, my grandmother lost two siblings to (now) vaccine-preventable diseases and later watched a beloved niece suffer and almost die from polio. If she were still alive today, I think my grandmother would not be able to comprehend the “debate” over vaccination.
Does anyone else find it ironic that the first thing you see when you get to this page to read this is an ad from a law firm to sue for damages if you have taken the FDA approved drug Xarelto? Thought I was going to fall over laughing!
you all need to relax.. measles was NO big deal.. watch old films.. NOTHING to fret about.. and YES many kids have died.. I don’t trust scientists are u kidding me.. more people die in the hospital and from meds then ever.. wake the F up..if your kid has cancer.. then u know its causes of so many other factors that humans created and you feed your kids crap packaged foods.. and ingested more ways then one toxins..and YOU past your toxic body on to them.. generations shall suffer because of ignorance..
Many kids have died from SHOTS… why don’t u ask the parents and how the docs brush them off as the shots had nothing to do with it.. seriously.. you’ll change as soon as your kid goes south like many have already..
To each their own! Even if you vaccinate your child, there is a chance that they can still get a disease. You shouldn’t sit there and criticize a parent for doing what they believe is right for their children. Have you ever thought that vaccinating your children could hurt them? Their decision to vaccinate or not is equal to someone who exposes their sick child to an open. environment.http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/dr-kurt-why-i-will-never-choose-to-vaccinate-my-own-son-and-any-future-kids-my-wife-and-i-have/
I am a mother who doesn’t vaccinate. It has nothing to do with autism. Never did. As we live a relatively secluded life, and also plan on home schooling, I decided against vaccines. I’m not saying they don’t work. I’m not saying they do work. I also take anything the CDC or government says with a grain of salt. I’m not a conspiracy theorist. But when it comes to big money and politics, it’s hard to know with certainty who is genuine and who is getting paid to say what big money tells them to. Everyone has their price. Of course I hope that isn’t the case and I truly hope that vaccines are as wonderful as they’re toted to be. Also, I don’t really care if anyone gets measles. My family are the only people important to me. None of you will be there to help me in the end. So I could really care less, cancer or not, if anyone else’s family members contract an illness. I do not have empathy for humans. I’ll save a drowning cat clawing in desperation before I help another human being.
I feel you
To each their own.
I love how the points in the articles and comments are about how the CDC says this and says that about the safety of vaccines. Isn’t the CDC ran by the government, you guys are all listening to the government. They feed you the “science” of the safety, but these numbers can easily be manipulated by the government. Of course doctors and the government want you to get vaccines and vaccinate your children, it’s a business and they are making a profit. and if you have a side effect you can go back to the hospital and give them more money.
Exactly. Just like the des s**t pregnant mother’s got. They were told it was safe. Then later, found out babies were 40 times more likely to development cervical cancer after puberty if mother got this safe vaccine. I don’t understand why eeveryone Just believes. The smoke is there. Eventually, we will find out. Then the next batch will be “safe “
https://leviquackenboss.wordpress.com/2015/01/27/dear-mom-who-thinks-i-need-to-vaccinate-my-kids-against-measles/
Read the MMR vaccine insert. Speaking like and ignorant bartender doesn’t prove anything. Getting the measles is a normal side effect of the vaccine. You also shed the live virus after vaccination. No one can prove where Disney measles started and more than half infected were vaccinated. Villify people who cannot vaccinate or choose not to. The vaccine is and has never been protection from the actual disease 100% of the time. Nevermind the fact that it becomes inactive into adulthood AND Disney draws an international crowd. The US isn’t a bubble. Diseases can never be fully protected against nor eradicated. Tunnel vision and a rant against parents who choose what is right for their child may be popular-pharmecutical companies love it! They areunder no pressure to improve or put quality over profits.
Adults are often immune to these childhood diseases because they actually HAD the diseases prior to big vaccine marketing and profits. There are episodes of The Flintstones in which they caught the measles, as well as The Brady Bunch, in which the entire family caught the measles. The perception the media is creating today over the measles cases is certainly different than back in the day when measles was not considered serious.
I just want to thank everybody who has their children vaccinated. The bottom line, in spite of the possible risks, it is the right thing to do. Most of us this comment section would not even exist today if it weren’t for vaccines. What kills me is the fact that an actor (Jenny McArthy), can influence these people. Hear it again -AN ACTOR! Maybe I should ask Jessica Alba or better yet, a singer, if I should get a tetnus shot. Maybe I could ask Justin Beiber if it is alright to have my child get an MMR. OK, you get the point.
I have a bit of advise for those of you who have enough common sense to believe in health professionals who have devoted a huge portion of their life to medical care. If you are going to keep posting on these forums:
NEVER ARGUE WITH AN IDIOT -THEY WILL DRAG YOU DOWN TO THEIR LEVEL AND BEAT YOU WITH EXPERIENCE
Who is Jenny McArthy??? I don’t vaccinate my son YET and keep hearing this name but have no idea who this is and why she has anything to do with vaccines????
From a mom whose kid DOES have cancer, thank you!
https://leviquackenboss.wordpress.com/2015/01/27/dear-mom-who-thinks-i-need-to-vaccinate-my-kids-against-measles/
The statement about getting vaccinated to protect those who can’t be (I.e. Those with cancer) makes zero sense considering that those with cancer cannot be around recently vaccinated individuals either. Vaccines shed. Anyone who has ever had cancer or taken care of someone with cancer would know that. You shouldn’t talk about things that you know anything about.
Actually no vaccine has been proven safe. There is not a single test group with placebo and vaccine study to my knowledge. They use vaccine against vaccine to deem it safe.
It is truly sad that your child is sick. Yet I would not sacrifice my child’s life to make you feel better. Many children suffer through the side effects and some die. Why not look at the huge payouts to families who lost their children to the side effects.
My child has cf and I fought all of his doctors with pride. I refused the bs newborn vac and vit k. I love my children with every ounce and I would not willingly put toxins in their bodies.
A simple sniffle can send your child into a full blown illness so let’s not blame the unvaccinated kids.
AMEN!!
#truth
I want to start by saying that I am not a parent so I can in no way comment on that front but I have spent the last 5 years taking 12+ hours of various science courses every week to earn my biochemistry degree. I also spent time working in an office that worked with children and adults with sensory issues, including autism. I spent many days having to listen to coworkers comment about the negative effects of vaccines and to other people claiming that all drug companies are just in it for the profit. I disagree, this opinion implies that every scientist who decided to go into R&D for these companies has no morals because scientists are the ones who do the studies and report the results. As a science major who fully supports vaccinating children if possible (recognizing that some people cannot be vaccinated due to health issues) the general voice of people against vaccinations and other things (such as the GMO/non-GMO debate) seriously irritates me. Not to mention that the majority of the people in my generation (I am in my mid 20’s) received vaccinations, and at least the ones that I know never had any lasting negative effects from our vaccines (and ours still have the mercury everyone seems to be so worked up over). What I am trying to say to you and the other people supporting you here, is thank you for understanding that a lot more went into my science degree than a handful of google searches and the word of questionable sources. So thank you.
Wow…we are in trouble if your biochemistry degree can’t help help you understand that aluminum and mercury are toxic to the human body and should not be injected into infants.
This isn’t even hard to understand….
No scientists are not the ones who report the results, you’ve clearly never looked up ghostwriting (http://journals.plos.org/ploscollections/article?id=10.1371/journal.pmed.1001071) nor are you aware of how corporations treat scientists who report results unfavorable to their products (www.independentsciencenews.org/health/seralini-and-science-nk603-rat-study-roundup/).
How many people do you know well enough to know their vaccination history? 5 people? 10 people maybe? How many people get vaccines? How many long term studies have been done comparing overall health outcomes between fully vax/unvax? (none). How scientifically valid is the conclusion you’ve drawn with the answers to these questions considered?
You do realize the number of vaccinations received by those who are in their 20s is child’s play compared to the number now recommended for children? You also realize that many people can and have been affected by these toxins they just aren’t aware of the source. I had two friends that were in their 20s.. one had brain cancer, the other cancer of the s*****m. Who’s to say vaccinations didn’t contribute to this? Can you prove 100% that they do not affect us in a negative way? Can you tell me why we are advised to avoid eating tuna with mercury levels beneath that of vaccinations, yet it somehow is safe to inject it into our bodies? At least if you eat the tuna you not only have selenium in the tuna that helps rid mercury and radiation but your body has a system in place to filter out things such as this…. IF it’s not already over loaded and bogged down by trying to remove years of other toxins and heavy metals that were injected into your body.
To add to this article, my 8 month old daughter also can’t get certain vaccinations because they are dangerous to my son. So both of my kids are at risk. And to the comment that cancer kids can’t be around kids recently vaccinated, yes that’s true. But guess what, that’s less of a risk than being around somebody that ACTUALLY has the disease. And my healthy daughter that is not vaccinated due to her brother having cancer, she can be around those kids and they are a risk to her.
THANK YOU!
I have a child on the AUTISM spectrum. I do NOT believe it has anything to do with vaccines!
I do believe it is neurological but nothing a vaccine caused. Protect our kids from diseases once gone and give each a a chance. Health and happiness to each of you!
Drug companies pay seven-figure amounts into FDA coffers to gain approval of their drugs. FDA staff knows that the cash means higher salaries and more perks in the agency budget. (Incidentally, the FDA’s commissioner Margaret Hamburg came straight from the boardroom of one of America’s largest drug companies!
Conflicts of interest are also rampant in a mass vaccination infrastructure that has the same people who are regulating and promoting vaccines also evaluating vaccine safety.
The vaccine industry gives millions for conferences, grants, and medical education classes sponsored by the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP). The vaccine industry even helped build AAP’s headquarters
If you think the CDC, FDA and the AAP or any other vaccine promoting organization has your child’s best interest at heart , you might want to follow the money trail!! It leads right to the pocket of these people. Do your research on all sides could save the life of your child!
Exactly
You are a classless, foul-mouthed uneducated b***h. I feel sorry for your kids. And your husband with that face of yours. [email protected]. Suck it.
You disapprove of classless foul mouthed people, and then go on to call them a b***h… um, ok.
Perfect rebuttal..: https://leviquackenboss.wordpress.com/2015/01/27/dear-mom-who-thinks-i-need-to-vaccinate-my-kids-against-measles/comment-page-1/#comment-209
I love this!
Your a f*****g idiot! Your a follower of whatever the government tells you. They say jump and you say how f’n high! Do some real Research and you will find the truth. The cancer child isn’t my responsibility! My child is my responsibility! If my child gets cancer ill do what I have to to protect him. I won’t push blame on others. The measles is mostly spread by the vaccine through the live virus you idiots put into your body! I was once an idiot as well and didn’t know better but I didn’t go around thinking I knew better than others and push my beliefs on them and I still don’t!
How am I supposed to take someone who refers to her kids as a-holes seriously? Not so great for building credibility.
I guess you haven’t done your research, because if you had you would know that the MMR is a LIVE virus vaccine. What this means is that after receiving this “life saving” shot, children actually shed the virus. Yup, that’s right…you can get measles from a freshly vaccinated person. This scenario is much more likely that getting it from an unvaccinated individual because these people are less likely to come into contact with the virus than someone who has been injected with a live version. This is why the cdc never releases the numbers of how many are vaccinated. Also, do you know how many people have died from the measles in the US in the last 10 years? NONE! That’s right, not a single one! Do you know how many people have died from the MMR vaccine? Last year from January until July over 700 (not severe reactions, but deaths). By the way, heard immunity is a theory that has been disproven many times.
Most adults are walking around unvaccinated. Might be nice to mention that adults need them as well. Not many people know the the vaccines do need to be updated. That’s on the CDC website as well. No one ever talks about it which confuses me. Food for thought. My kids and I are all up to date.
So true. Thanks for mentioning it!
Here’s an idea. If your kids immune system has been compromised for whatever horrible unfair reason, maybe don’t take them to extremely busy public places where tons of children and running around spreading germs. Rather than telling the rest of the world how to raise their children and sounding like an asshole, protect them in a way that’s actually effective. By not exposing them
“As we have been told (esp this season) they do not work well and make you more susceptible to getting a strain of the flu. But yes my point was when. Was the fever seizures starting because if it started from a u that he was also vaccinated against (esp a flu he could have very possibly gotten from the very vaccine he was given) seems like a vaccine injury to me.”
Yes it would seem that way to an uneducated mind. First of all, febrile seizures occur when the fever has reached a high level and must come down immediately. They are a protective seizure. My son had one at he age of 1 in response to an ear infection. As long as there have been fevers, there have been febrile seizures, which would be as long as there have been humans that have been infected with microbes.
Regarding the flu vaccine and your understanding that this year’s did not work well and makes a person more susceptible to the flu. I can’t stand such ignorance. No vaccine makes you more susceptible to any illness it is designed to prevent. If you understand the basic premise of a vaccine….it helps your body develop antigens to the offending microbe. The reason this year’s flu vaccine is largely not effective (only 23%) is because the developers of each year’s vaccine are trying to predict which flu strain will be predominant 6 months away from the date during which it is developed. Since the flu is a rapidly mutating virus and other strains can take over, it’s possible that this can happen.
Seriously…the whole “vaccine damaged” terminology is a reflection of ignorance. It reflects that some people do not understand that correlation is not causation. Please….do some research from credible sites.
For me, I have to be immunised every few years with the MRR, because my body doesn’t maintain immunity, which means that if I get in contact with measles while pregnant, me and my baby are screwed! People that don’t vaccinate are idiots! Full stop!
Most adults are not walking around unvaccinated and that is not what the CDC website says. Please read it carefully.
Leaving aside the overwhelming mountain of data from the scientific community supporting the fact that vaccines don’t cause autism, I’d like to ask those who choose not to vaccinate a hypothetical question: Keeping in mind the amount of lives lost and permanently debilitated before the advent of vaccinations for numerous diseases (specifically the Measles), would you ban the use of vaccines if you had the legislative authority to do so? This is purely out of curiosity on my end. My thought is that these people being somewhat logical would not do this as it would lead to many lives lost within the first few years alone. I’ve asked a few who oppose vaccinations this and most of them say they would not ban them if they could. This leads me to believe that the anti-vaccination crowd is more or less willing to have the majority of people bear the supposed risk involved in getting vaccinated, rather than subjecting their snow flake to the risk of autism (or other ailments, some of which are indeed legitimate) The word I’m thinking is selfish. Many people can’t vaccinate because their kids have auto immune disorders or cancer, and your decision statistically elevates the odds they will be exposed to these diseases.
Ok I’m not going to try to change people’s opinions because soTroughoutle are just so close minded, it’s just a waste of people’s time. I’m 23 years old… was first diagnosed with cancer in 2008. Throughout my 4 years of chemo, I couldn’t go anywhere where there was alot of people or if there were children, because people are too stupid to get or give a vaccination…then I relapsed in 2013.. they killed every cell in my body and gave me umbilical cord stem cells…I had to stay in isolation for 7 months..YES..SAME ROOM..NO VISITORS. 7 MONTHS…I couldn’t go anywhere for 5 extra months due to the fact I couldn’t get my vaccinations for a full year after transplant… if someone had any sort of sickness that had a vaccine with very high success, but decided against it for god knows why…I guess you would rather put your child and other children in danger, than to get a shot with a 95% success rate…but anyway if I would have run into a child or anyone for that matter with even a cold, I got it…now let’s say I run into a child who has the measles and I got it, I would be dead…simple as that…and if my parents knew who it was that gave it to me and came to find out that the parents didn’t vaccinate their child cuz of some crazy whack job myths, they would find you sue you for everything you are worth, and make your life a living hell.
Another thing you can do to protect your children is NOT FEED THEM GMO (GENETICALLY MODIFIED ORGANISMS). DO YOUR RESEARCH LADIES! !!!
“I guess you haven’t done your research, because if you had you would know that the MMR is a LIVE virus vaccine. What this means is that after receiving this “life saving” shot, children actually shed the virus. Yup, that’s right…you can get measles from a freshly vaccinated person. This scenario is much more likely that getting it from an unvaccinated individual because these people are less likely to come into contact with the virus than someone who has been injected with a live version. This is why the cdc never releases the numbers of how many are vaccinated. Also, do you know how many people have died from the measles in the US in the last 10 years? NONE! That’s right, not a single one! Do you know how many people have died from the MMR vaccine? Last year from January until July over 700 (not severe reactions, but deaths). By the way, heard immunity is a theory that has been disproven many times.”
Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.
https://science.education.nih.gov/supplements/nih1/diseases/activities/activity5_measles-database.htm
“Your a f*****g idiot! Your a follower of whatever the government tells you. They say jump and you say how f’n high! Do some real Research and you will find the truth. The cancer child isn’t my responsibility! My child is my responsibility! If my child gets cancer ill do what I have to to protect him. I won’t push blame on others. The measles is mostly spread by the vaccine through the live virus you idiots put into your body! I was once an idiot as well and didn’t know better but I didn’t go around thinking I knew better than others and push my beliefs on them and I still don’t!”
I’m sorry to break it to you…but your posts suggests that you’re still an idiot. I’m sure you’ll be turning your back on the medical community when you need a hip replacement, a cancer cure, treatment for MS, or some other major medical intervention that was a result of the diligent research of medical scientists, approved by that f***ing government. Or maybe your brilliance has lead you to the conclusion that these diseases only happen to the idiots in the world that weren’t “truly healthy” because they did all the wrong things. Say, do you have a tin foil hat that will fit me?
Here’s a notion for those who believe that autism is connected to vaccines:
1) the rate of autism is equal among unvaccinated as vaccinated
2) the rate of autism increased after the diagnostic criteria was changed
3) the diagnosed rate of infantile autism in the 60s, when this vaccine was introduced remained constant.
Apply your own logic.
1) That is a completely false statement, the rate of autism has never been studied between fully vaccinated and fully unvaccinated chidren which is why you didn’t provide a citation for your statement
2) This is true, however despite the diagnostic criteria for autism not changing for the next 30 years the rate continued to climb throughout that entire time. Diagnostic criteria doesn’t come anywhere near close to explaining why the rate didn’t level out within a few years.
3) the diagnosed rate of autism in 1995 when the first DNA-based vaccine was introduced increased rapidly
“My child has cf”
Of course you know this is a genetically inherited condition, right? Nothing to do with vaccines.
So so funny that people are called lazy for not vaccinating. actually, antivaxers do a lot more research than provaxers.Or they’re selfish. Why would a person not want to vaccinate cuz they’re selfish? What do they gain? It’s been proven throughout our history, companies lie for profit. From tobacco, to food, to alcohol, to CDC, To fda, to government in general. Yet you sheep continue to follow. Why don’t you research the 1970s flu vaccine. You know, the one they claimed they tested. Vaccinated 46 million people and ruined some of their lives. Then when asked, the CDC said they didn’t actually test that vaccine. And also there were 4 cases of that strain in the world. NONE confirmed. now, has our system become more or less corrupt since then. These drug companies lobbied so hard to get a law passed where they can’t be sued. Now if these are so safe, why the law? Why have millions been paid out of a separate fund to parents whose kids have been hurt or killed. Keeping it out of courts to prevent the press. Yes, some diseases, vaccines are worth the risk. But we now have a pill or vaccine for everything then 20 years later you will find out they knew. It has happened over and over. Who decides how much poison we can have in our food. Or in our vaccines. Who does the testing? The same ones making the money. Call it lobbying. it is legalized bribery for companies to get what they want. It’s not a conspiracy theory. It’s a fact. We have yoga mat rubber in our bread. Fake sugars that give you tumors. Pills that proven to kill. All allowed by the CDC after payment remitted. Doctors are looking out for you. But they only know what they’re told. if the risk is one in a million, how the hell do I know 2 people who’s kids developed autism after being Vaccinated? None of it is reported because it can’t be proven yet. I’ve looked at the biased “studies” done. Which don’t include the actual vaccine we are getting. Or are skewed to get the result they want. I don’t know what side is right. But I know im not gonna blindly follow the same people who have lied to us for profit throughout history. I will research and I will decide. doesn’t make me lazy or selfish. flu kills how many a year in america compared to the rest of the world? We don’t need a blanket vaccine against this.people still insist you don’t get the flu from the vaccine. Science says you dont. Well, people do. It’s a fact. I don’t care what a study on a piece of paper says. I live in the real world and I’ve seen it. It’s simple for drug companies to prove mmr doesn’t cause autism. Right now, they claim coincidence. That it Just happens to appear at the same time you get your vaccines. Fine. Let’s test this theory by vaccinating a control group at different ages. Bet they won’t do it. Why? why aren’t they doing more studies? Even if they are good, wouldn’t a better approach be to admit not all infants can handle all this s**t at once. Can’t you figure that out? Na. We have the sheep believing whatever crap we say, so why bother. Antivaxers don’t Just wake up and say, screw it my kid doesn’t need it. It is a very tough decision for anyone who HAS researched. and like I said, in 20 years when it all comes out, it will be another footnote in our history. But I still wonder why people against it are lazy or selfish. yes if you listen to Jenny McCarthy and that’s the only reason, you are a lazy dumb a*s. But when I see a father near suicide cuz he struggled with the decision, chose to vaccinate, and now blames himself for his daughters autism, I don’t think it’s right to call people lazy, selfish, and child abusing parents. companies readily admit these things have these side effects. Maybe certain kids are susceptible to the side effects. Don’t you think doctors should figure out why before saying everyone get these vaccinations. if your kid dies, too bad. d**n dogs Die from their shots. But nobody believes it happens to us? Or it’s denied. Screw it. Most people are on one side or another. research and do what you will. Keep believing these companies. And believe in the tooth fairy too. After all, there was a study done. All the kids said their teeth disappeared from under their pillow. Must be true. They didn’t ask the parents though. Sounds like a Merck scientific study.
Dave: hypotheticle question for you. If you had the legislative authority to ban all vaccines or at least the MMR vaccine, would you do it?
I’d be inclined to try to argue with some of your points, but your post said that you had researched the issue, then said that you wont believe a study on a piece of paper. Contradictions aside, this suggests that you’ve formed an opinion on the matter and won’t be swayed, but it also means that if a group actually did the study’s (they are called double blind tests) that you demanded, you wouldn’t believe them anyway, probably because you have a rigid thinking process and view of the world. I’m going to make an attempt anyway….
You live in a world relatively free from many diseases that once killed and disabled scores of people. Your said rigid thinking view prevents you from imagining what this world would be like without them, mainly because most sensible people choose to vaccinate. Where’s polio? If you live in the real world tell me if you’ve ever met anyone in the states who’s had it in the last 30 years. It’s still running rampant in developing countries that don’t have the LUXURY of easily accessible vaccinations, but in the states, it basically been wiped out. Instead we have idiots that go on and on about some complications from vaccines. How about small pox? Last confirmed case was 1978, because of a vaccination made by a big pharma company, AND people (and the CDC) working together at a common goal. I know you said that you support some vaccinations, but please tell me where your getting your data from regarding the vaccines you deem too dangerous (credible scientific studies, not Joe Schmo who decided to write a book or article). I’m asking for the same thing you are.
In your crazy ranting, you actually made some legitimate points. Yes, vaccines are made by big corporations. Yes, big corporations lie. Yes, the government lies, a lot. Your understandably skepticle because of these things, but your logic is flawed friend. Your taking the same approach the global warming deniers take, which is casting doubt on the subject by bringing up questionable info, and this is a flawed and doomed approach. For example, vaccines CAN make you sick with the disease you being vaccinated for. It’s a risk, yes. Vaccines DO cause complications with SOME people, a whole plethora of complications in some instances. You can still get sick from diseases that you’ve been vaccinated for, yes. It doesn’t mean that they don’t work or that they are too dangerous. Big pharma corporations have lobbied hard to make it difficult to sue them, and paid millions to families that have been injured by vaccines. This is called a settlement. People and companies pay them even when they are not in the wrong IF it could be cheaper than paying a bunch of lawyers to go to court (not saying they weren’t in the wrong, but you asked why these companies paid money, it’s not an admission of guilt). And finally, yes, big pharma and food companies pay curupt doctors and scientists to falsify studies that they then submit to the FDA that then gets released to the American public, and sometimes kill people. Cigarette companies have been doing it for decades and still are because of a unjust and curupt system. All this said, vaccinations have saved whole generations of people.
These issues are much more complicated than your suggesting. It’s all about calculated risk. While a vaccine can still potentially make you and your kids sick, it’s a whole world better than the mortality rates that were around 100 years ago.
You asked why people think anti-vaxers are lazy and selfish: I don’t think this myself, I just think your turning you back on history and forgetting how far we’ve come. But let me tell you why people think your selfish: The reason is that many Anti-vax people do not want to do away with all or even some vaccines. They just don’t think its safe for their little ones. They say why should I need to vaccinate if everyone else has already done it. As in, your willing to reap the benefits of living in a society free from preventable diseases but not willing to subject you babies to the potential risks of vaccinations. Or they say, “make them safer and I’ll give them to my kid” (they’ll never be 100% safe). When there’s enough of you that believe this, it kind of screws it up for everyone else. Some people can’t and shouldn’t vaccinate, they get an exception. You just shouldn’t get an exemption from doing it because you think “the man” is out to get you, or if your ill informed.
I would not, but I would federally mandate all states allowing conscientious exemptions.
Read the book dissolving illusions by Dr. Suzanne Humphries
http://www.dissolvingillusions.com/
You’re confused about vaccines wiping out disease. They took the credit for something that was already happening independently from them. Learn about the real history of vaccines and the concept that huge corporations are motivated by huge profits, not the health of you or anyone else. They lie and pay for their own brand of “science” creating more and more brainwashed people like you everyday.
Works both ways friend. Someone enlightened you with this info, as I was with mine. I say t*t, you say tat and by the way your brainwashed. You read a book and believed it as I have read reports and articles from the scientific community and believe them. Interesting how we were battling small pox for hundreds of years, and it seized to exist a couple years after the vaccine came out. When has this ever been done with another disease where no vaccine has been invented? We all know corporations are money grubbing snakes that lie every chance they get, but you sound very paranoid and insane with your logic sir.
Say vaccines did cause autism. Say that it was a legitimate concern. I’d still pick autism over a disease that could kill my child as well as countless others.
109,000+ cases of measles in England/Wales since 1992 and not a single child’s death from measles. Strange choice you’re making for that miniscule risk of death from a few days of a disease vs. a lifetime of round the clock care.
Another rambling article from an uneducated moron.
What aggravates me most is that parents that do not vaccinate keep their kids healthy on the backs of those of us that do. If we all decided not to vaccinate these diseases would run rampant again. I bet they would decide vaccinations were the lesser evil then.
I agree so i got my perfectly beautiful baby boy the mmr shot. He got a 105 fever latter that night and had been different ever since and you know what… After several studdies blood tests and so forth he was diagnosed with a form of autism. My child wont get measles but he is autistic so i know there was truth to all that nonsense. Im not saying that will happen to every child but it did to mine. And just so you know this happened to my son 10 years ago before i even read anything about there being a possible link i knew something started to change right away after the vaccine and it just continually got worse. Damned if you do and damned if you dont.
Where the hell is the study that PROVES the MMR is “totally safe”?
What a bunch of cunts on here. Feed your child organic fruits and vegetables, instead of hamburgers and chicken nuggets, and they’ll have a healthy immune system. Then you can pull big pharma out of your mushy, fat asses.
Calling people idiots and assholes isn’t a very effective way to gain cooperation but it is an effective way to gain attention for your blog, so congrats on that.
I think it’s pretty rich that a mom who argues against car seat safety, and the science behind it will now turn around and accuse other parents of being “selfish jerkwads ” for not sacrificing their kids for the greater good. I use my car seat correctly, rear face my toddler, feed her (gasp) organic green s**t, basically do everything in my power to keep her safe and healthy. She has filled diapers with blood after a rotavirus vaccine, had a leg swell up like a grapefruit after a PCV vaccine… And was told, yep, these are normal risks of vaccines but it’s worth it for the greater good. You know what…f**k. that.noise. This is MY kid and her next reaction might be a brain bleed (also a perfectly normal, expected reaction to vaccine for a certain percentage of folks), or Guillain Barre syndrome (ditto, normal, expected). So we take our vaccines slow and steady, and we pick and choose those with the most benefit and lowest risk. I will not submit my child as a sacrificial lamb to make anyone else feel better. But I will use her car seat correctly. Last time I checked, that saved lives without any risks at all.
To the worthless c**t who wrote this sharticle. I hope you sit on a Samurai Sword in front of everyone you love. How dare you use CANCER to illustrate your point on measles vaccination. You are a miserable parasite that is a far cry from anything vaguely resembling that of a writer. I truly hope your children recognize the sheer lack of intelligence you posess by the time they reach the age of 10 so at least they have a chance of not letting you affect their adolescence. Do us a favor and shut down that horrible thing you call a ‘blog’. Which is merely today’s version of the Penny Saver ads everyone always threw away.
– Bryan Barden
Father of two beautiful children who I would never pretend had CANCER! No matter what!
Oh and both of my children are vaccinated by the way. So F off to any trolls who think I’m hating on this sharticle due to its topic. This sharticle (I will continue to refer to it as such by the way) was posted on Facebook so I decided to give it a read. I immediately stopped when I found out that the mention of CANCER was fraudulently placated upon the readers in order to illustrate a point regarding vaccination. Anyone who would do such a thing is the same type of someone who would shove her husbands toothbrush up her a*s whenever she is mad at him. Good day.
Also worth reading ~ https://leviquackenboss.wordpress.com/2015/01/27/dear-mom-who-thinks-i-need-to-vaccinate-my-kids-against-measles/
Until your child suffers a vaccine injury, not a single one of you has the right to judge or form your false opinions. By the way, SIDS, encephalitis, death, etc are listed as vaccine side effects, direct from the manufacturer. Do your homework.
Not everyone gets cancer from smoking. Not everyone receives a vaccine without severe lifelong consequences.
That’s like saying you don’t have a right to drive because my best friend in grade school was killed in a car accident due to someone else’s negligence and poor judgement. (True story.) But you’ve listened to the CDC which is part of an organized crime ring. The CDC and FDA are staffed with industry insiders who are there to maximize profits, not protect you. You say they’ve _proven_ that the MMR vaccine was safe; but last August an insider came forward and told us they _knew_ the connection to autism, especially for black boys, and they chose to cover it up and tried to ruin anyone who went against them. It is also wrong to asume that when they say “effective,” that they mean you won’t get sick if you get the vaccine. That’s not what they mean. It just means they’ve seen that it produces an antibody that they hope will protect you; but it is proven that it does not do a very good job at it. Most people who get the mumps or measles are ones who have had the MMR vaccine. And actually, in a separate news item last August, it was discovered that the blood samples were intentionally spiked before testing for one of the vaccines, so the desired antibody would show up. Hopefully someone will go to prison over that. Then there was the news item about seven weeks ago about the school in MA where there was an outbreak of whooping cough; but every single kid who got it had been vaccinated against it, and not a single one of the non-vaccinated kids got it. A separate study out of Switzerland IIRC found that the whooping cough is getting more virulent because of the vaccine. The mountain of proof of the damage vaccines do is getting higher and higher.
I’m amused by this article and by the seeming slight scientific usage. Many people are finally realizing what shots can do (not to everyone, but many people) with all the terrible cases that happen as a result of getting vaccinations (even though as the doctor may say, ‘oh but they are not related’). You are an idiot to ignore the cases where kids have gotten shots and died a week later because they blamed it on SIDS (yes a week later, just so happens), or news stories where vaccinations were involved. My first daughter got vaccinated when she was young and she started to stare at the wall for about a few weeks, kind of like a zombie, like she was out of it, while we tried talking to her, scared the crap out of us. We knew there was something wrong after she got the shots. Then we started doing research, started reading books, talking to our doctor, and found many cases where vaccinations had hurt people. We no longer give vaccinations to our kids…maybe when they grow up they can get shots, but right now, heck no. I personally have had the flu so bad in college after getting a flu shot, I almost died. Thinking it wasn’t the flu shot, I did it again, and boom, I got hit so bad, and never again will I receive the flu shot, nor will my kids. If we are going to get the flu, we’re going to get it naturally (rather than putting a half-dead half-alive virus in us). If we’re going to get anything, it’s going to be naturally, except for if we travel to another country where viruses are passed around, then I will consider. When the kids get older, they can decide for themselves, but I will warn them of the pros and cons.
In this day and age, it astounds me that there are ‘parents’ out there that still refuse to have their children immunized. I’m not speaking to those who can’t due to illness, allergy to the actual vaccine. I’m talking about the people who have the audacity to think they are smarter than teams of scientists, the entire medical community and believe it should be their right to purposely expose their children to these horrific diseases who then in turn expose the infants too young to get their immunizations yet, or the compromised child, and all because you read an article in People magazine about Jenny McCathy’s baby developing autism after an mmr shot. Her doctors said it was not possible but one nutty scientist saw an easy who to make money. So he had Jenny McCarthy advance him millions in funds only to release a paper later that year declaring the supposed link between autism and the MMR vaccine. Then he went underground. He got her money and put terror in the minds of parents. Well guess what? He fabricated the whole thing.
Surely those that choose not to immunize are not so stupid as to believe that the horrible diseases of yesteryear have been eradicated??? They didn’t dissappear. Ask the recent outbreak at Disneyland. The diseases are still here and the only way to keep your child safe is to vaccinate them. Read up on what can happen WHEN, not if, WHEN your child develops rubella, or the mumps, or the measles or tetanus. So many horrible things can and will happen and the worst is death. In trying to follow the cool new trend of not vaccinating you child, the one you supposedly love more than anything in the world has just been given a death sentence by you, their own parents. If you really want to live third world style, move yourself and your family to a third world country that has no immunizations at all. I mean you obviously are letting fear cloud your judgements in making decisions on what’s right for your child. They could die, don’t you care? They are infecting babies, the elderly, those who are so sick and weak already with compromised immune systems. I tell ya what. You go ahead and not give your child the vaccines that he/she will need in the world but be d**n sure to keep her out of public so she/he won’t contaminate all the normal people with babies, elderly friends, and not to mention the children sick with cancer. These are the parents who valued scientific research over the opinion of a playboy bunny who was known for doing full spreads in the dirty magazines and sprouting off it had to be the MMR shot that gave him Autism. Certainly not her disturbing lifestyle that continued well into her pregnancy. I think her son probably has fetal alcohol syndrome and she needed a scapegoat as much as that disgusting scientist needed the money.
the way I see it is you have three simple choices to keep the majority of the population safe. Oh no one ever taught you that you weren’t the only one who mattered? You’re not. Get off your selfish high horse and stop calling the common sense folks sheeple. You are doing the exact same thing with you following all the latest Hollywood trends. I would add sheeple but it is of one the most faggoty retarded sounding words out there.
If you insist to buck up against THE MAN, I suggest you find yourself an underground hub that you can live at, meet other asshole parents such as yourself, and who knows maybe you’ll be happy there. And if not, there’s always that third world country that I’m sure you and you children will fit right into and you’ll never have to hear the word immunization ever again. Mostly from being deaf.
BUT there is one last final option. Make a check up appointment for your child with his pedestrian. And not some hippy dippy never went to school but knows where all your pressure points are or one that doesn’t believe in medication at all. No. Take your child to a real doctor and sit in length and discuss how the benefits outweigh any miniscule risk. Get a second opinion if you feel you need to, just with a real pediatrician doctor that took 8 years of medical school and four years of specialized training in the pediatric field of medicine. If this doesn’t change your mind, might as well get to packing now. There’s a flight leaving for Yemen in a few hours. In the meantime, I will keep your children in my prayers and pray that you parents do the right thing by your children. Good luck, God bless, Godspeed.
So do you work or you know family in the government? Probably not it’s just all part of the plan
haha, blaming the Disneyland Virus on the anti-vaccination movement is more of a deliberate attack than a scientific test. It’s more Propaganda and using manipulation to get people to believe that it’s those who don’t take vaccinations. There was no scientific study done EVER to prove that we anti-vaccination people are at fault. That is why I don’t trust the scientific community anymore. That is what I call lazy science, which many are practicing today. Nobody cares about the scientific method anymore, it’s all about who’s going to pay enough (hint hint FDA).
Hi guys. This is an emotional issue for some people. My husband was against vaccinating, whereas I was pro-vaccination. My husband knew a woman whose child was damaged in the 1980’s by the pertussis vaccine. He suggested homeopathic medicine. (The practitioner was in fact an accountant, whose own children had been vaccinated). I WAS VERY SKEPTICAL to say the least. However, out of respect for my husband’s beliefs, I did my research. In,deed, 30 or more years ago, incorrectly stored, and vaccines given to immune-compromised children did cause damage and death, However, this was rare in healthy children. I also contacted the mother of the vaccine damaged child and we had a good discussion. She still had her children vaccinated. When my daughter was 18 months, I made a doctor’s appointment for vaccination. The week beforehand, I had given her plenty of vitamin C, made sure that she had no cold, fever etc.. Except for a rash with MMR, she experienced no side-effects whatsoever. Of course I was worried about MMR, until I did my research. It seems to have escaped many peoples’ notice that the definition and diagnosis of autism has expanded immensely, the rate has probably not increased, but recognition of the condition has widened. (That is my opinion only and I have not researched autism). My daughter has also had hepatitis B and the HPV vaccines without noticeable side-effect. We do not have `Big Pharma` in Australia, by the way. I am glad I vaccinated my daughter and have no regrets. Adendum. I had measles and mumps as a child before the vaccine was introduced. Luckily my general health was good and I came through both without any bad effect.
I did my research, I weighed the pros and cons, I vaccinated.
https://leviquackenboss.wordpress.com/2015/01/27/dear-mom-who-thinks-i-need-to-vaccinate-my-kids-against-measles/
We had a separate measles vaccine, when we were about 15 months old. AND so nevertheless still got measles. According to our mother, we were all covered with stains. But as bad as they make us believe, that really was not the case. Even when my youngest brother who is not vaccinated for measles, and also got the measles.
We all still alive. No damages to our body. And then all three have also mumps, rubella, and whooping cough had .. If you believe the CDC, it is really very special that we have had all those diseases .. What seems even more remarkable is that we are still alive !!. diseases all had. And we’re still alive. Are not damaged for the rest of our lives.
Fear of diseases … That’s what they are trying to create (and it works quite well, don’t you think ?? !!)
My son is treated by using the cease therapy. Vaccinations are treated. Given the reactions of his body, have him vaccinations caused considerable disruption. Unfortunately, I did not know a few years ago what I know now .. And he has had all vaccines up to 4 years. But not anymore. He has difficulty concentrating, poor memory, a high IQ, diagnosing ADHD .. And his behavior changed at the age of 2 years .. He is now 10 .. My youngest has after vaccination with 2 month, more than 3 month screamed .. It was no longer crying .since he suffered from chronic colds, and despite pertussis vaccines had .. He gets no more vaccinations.
Ask for the leaflets .. Read by, looking at each excipient on the effects on the human body. There are some studies available on these substances. And showing that it is anything but safe for a man .. I do not want aborted human tissue in my children, no animal dna .. not to mention the rest. Here in the Netherlands, is not vaccinated for chickenpox. The people here are not afraid that their child gets it, it is seen as a harmless childhood disease, which spontaneously disappears again, and if you have offers lifelong protection had. (to get under one year chance of recurrence). What I understand, it is already labeled elsewhere in the world as a very serious disease, and is a vaccine available for it. That shows clearly that creating fear, is a way to convince people to vaccinate. And that just does not happen with chickenpox in other diseases is the exact same.
My cousin came down with measles at age 3, lost hearing and ability to father children. How different his life could have been if he got his shots.
Let me ask you this…if your child is vaccinated then why worry about him/her getting in contact with someone who isn’t?
Sorry for your loss but someone needs to educate you on those facts. They could get the measles any way This is called shedding. My child was vaccine injured and spent some time in the hospital due to a heavy metal in her blood stream, that made her brain swell and started having seizures. I am not afraid of my child getting measels, or thing else for that matter.
I very much agree with you! I don’t vaccinate.
You people obviously do not remember polio. And the mothers who took their children, willingly, to be given a brand new vaccine which would keep their babies ALIVE.
Sorry just reread the article. Ok I understand… Lol…5 am in the morning is way too early
Well said! Amen.
I hope you show the same passion about securing our borders. All of those illegal immigrant children that jumped the border are the ones that brought this latest blast of disease into this country. None of those poor children were vaccinated before crossing the border. Yet our government put them on planes and buses and distributed them to cities across the country. And those are just the ones we caught at the border. There are 12 million or more illegal immigrants that simply walked right in without a care in the world as to whether they were vaccinated or not. Any one of those children could have been carrying measles or scabbies or other contageous diseases that could have been transferred to your poor, sick, fictional child.
So… go ahead and attack U.S. Citizen parents who fear the unknown… the unknown cause of increase in autism and ADHD. But also show the same passion towards enforcing legal immigration so we can ensure that those we let enter our country have also been properly vaccinated, etc.
#hearthiswell
https://leviquackenboss.wordpress.com/2015/01/27/dear-mom-who-thinks-i-need-to-vaccinate-my-kids-against-measles/
Hilarious really – I bet most of you own guns to protect yourselves too… Yet more people die from that due to your right to own one being more important than the social benefits of outlawing them. Look to smarter countries, like Australia, who has gun protection laws (and therefore no 2 year olds shooting their parents in shops or school shootings), and we ran your American anti vaxer out of town, as we know to put our trust in science, not our own overinflated sense of self importance!
But, whatever, Darwins will apply and their kids will get knocked off. Pity for the innocent ones they will take down with them.
Oh, and I actually have a child with cancer. The medicines he takes are FAR more toxic than vaccines, but they saved his life. That’s what medicines do. What will you refuse next? Ventolin? Aspirin? Warfarin? Maybe Botox – the rat poison some of you inject in your faces to prevent wrinkles? Haha – fools.
Here’s the thing, as a citizen of a free country I should have the right to choose whether to vaccinate or not vaccinate. I use to work with autistic children. One of the parents, a doctor, discontinued all vaccines after their child was diagnosed. Interesting! Supposedly, your body is supposed to be able to get rid of the toxins found in vaccines and other drugs. Some people’s bodies seem to hold on to heavy metals and other chemicals. This is the case in a few autistic kids that I know, who when tested, some have much higher levels of mercury, aluminum and lead than is considered safe.
The MMR no longer has thimerosal (mercury) in it. It does have other toxins in it though that act as a preservative to shelf the vaccine longer. The dead flu vaccine does contain thimerosal.
After my oldest received his chicken pox vaccine around 1999, they discovered that vaccine was no good, so they took it off the market. Interesting that they put something on the market that was not safe, realized it, then redeveloped it. Now all of a sudden we’re supposed to trust this new vaccine. Speaking of chicken pox vaccine, someone I know use to test vaccines for a living. Interestingly, her children do not receive all the vaccines. She said chicken pox vaccine was created because of money. It had nothing to do with saving kids from terrible diseases. It was because parent’s had to be off of work for 2 weeks to care for their sick child. The advertising we hear is that they don’t want them being infected with this terrible disease. And don’t be fooled the news media is advertising for the CDC. They are not truly investigating otherwise, you would have heard about that little bit of information and much more.
Also, several years ago, the government passed a law about how people can get compensated for vaccination injury. They can no longer sue in the usual sense. Their is a fund (yes a fund) that is set up to compensate for vaccine injury. Autistic children do receive money from this fund. Interesting!
Vaccines like measles, mumps, chicken pox, and others do not offer life-long protection. So as a parent, if you are concerned for your child getting these illnesses, get yourself and your child vaccinated. Don’t worry about your neighbor’s choice to not vaccinate. It shouldn’t affect you.
As far as children with cancer and those allergic to vaccines, apologies in advance for my opinion here, they are the ones that have to keep their child safe. If I had a child who had cancer, I would not be taking them to Disney Land or even to the store. I would think that most parents of kids with cancer, not to protect against measles because its not very common, but to protect against the common cold, would not go many places. The common cold, is just that very common and very serious for someone with cancer. SO IF YOU ARE TRULY CONCERNED FOR THAT CHILD WITH CANCER, ANYTIME YOU ARE SICK, YOU BETTER STAY HOME.
We don’t know that the outbreak wasn’t caused by a kid who couldn’t get vaccinated instead of a kid who’s parent chose not to vaccinate. I believe in vaccines, but there is more to every story.
Funny thing.. Yesterday I posted the numbers from WHO comparing morbidity rates vs vaccination rates for the past 33 years the proves a few things..
1. The anti vaxxer movement is a myth (vaccination rates are relatively unchanged for the last 16 years (at or around 92%)
2. This debunks “herd immunity” cause the magic number is 92% yet morbidity fluctuates from near zero to over 600 in that time frame) and the morbidity rate actually went up when the vaccination rate was at its peak (98% in the early 80’s) and the 5 years prior to 2000 (when measles was declared “eradicated”) was at its all-time low (between 80% and 85%)
3. Vaccination rates vs morbidity rates do not correlate AT ALL (in fact the countries with higher VAX rates also have the highest morbidity rates)
4. Environment is a bigger player in the bigger picture (hygiene, clean water, health care etc) look at the undeveloped countries vs developed countries and you will see the difference is HUGE (and most of those underdeveloped countries have high vaccination rates)
Those numbers hold true with pertussis as well, pertussis has been on the rise by about 1000-1500 cases a year since 1980 (with peaks every 3 to 5 years which is the normal cycle for pertussis) and the vaccination rate has remained over 93% for almost the whole 33 years in their chart (further debunking ” herd immunity ” btw)
As I said, I posted this yesterday with the links to prove it (who’s website) these are not opinion based or biased information, it is raw data from the organization that monitors this worldwide…
For some reason they are not in the thread so either they where removed or never got approved (seems like the case anytime you give solid intimation against the vaccines so I’m not sure why I bother)
And here is your “herd immunity”
http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2012/07/05/herd-immunity-the-flawed-science-and-failures-of-mass-vaccination-suzanne-humphries-md-3/
Believing the CDC is like saying everything is true on the Internet.
I wanted to read the article, however didn’t finish reading it. I couldn’t get past the swearing. That type of language goes a long way in showing one’s intelligence. If you lack the ability to use proper language and grammar, how can one even come close to believing you are intelligent enough to actually know what you are talking about?
After reading these comments I decided I would leave something. I am by no means a doctor or a specialist with vaccines but I do believe every mother has the right to question what their child receives, rather it be medications, treatment or vaccines. I am a mother who lost her 21 month son very sudden, so naturally my senses and dedication to protecting my surviving children is my main focus. I think it is very poor choice to call people who choose to question society, pharma companies, doctors and etc. idiots, every mother has a story and a reason. With that bring said, I don’t think choosing to not vaccinate or to postpone them doesn’t make me a bad mom or irresponsible, I think it make me aware and truly looking out for the health of my children, the point of my post is, everyone has a story and a reason. You can get measles even if you have had vaccinations, it is not always 100% effective.
Very well said Faith, sincerest sympathies for your loss and thank you for sharing your thoughts.
MMR is not risk free. My cousin is permanently disabled from 1 dose. The federal government “compensated” her from the Vaccine Injury Fund, but she will never live independently, never have children. MMR is NOT risk free.
Very sorry to hear that. VICP has paid out almost 3 billion dollars to date to parents/caretakers of vaccine-injured children.
Go get your kid a bubble boy outfit foh
LOVE LOVE LOVE this!
Wow. Did you see how you got your a*s spanked by this article? https://leviquackenboss.wordpress.com/2015/01/27/dear-mom-who-thinks-i-need-to-vaccinate-my-kids-against-measles/
Get your Facts straight lady. No Vaccine is safe. I feel sorry for your kids that you decided to inject them with all that s**t. It takes courage and information, but if you had of took the time before you made the decision to vaccinate then I’m sure you would have changed your mind.
It changed My mind between kids! So glad I was introduced to other parents who don’t vaccinate. Changed my life as well as my kids!
I will never believe that vaccines are safe. My sister spent a month in the hospital on tubes after her 9-month MMR vaccine. Her cerebellum was destroyed by it. She is 20 years old and still can’t walk, and she has severe problems with social interactions.
You read it on the CDC website? Well! S**t then it must be true!!! ?
FYI: Clearly you didn’t do YOUR research well enough. Kids with Cancer cannot be vaccinated because their immune systems aren’t healthy enough to handle all of the crap in the vaccines. Furthermore, They also need to stay away from those recently vaccinated because vaccines shed and your cancer kid can’t become sick with the disease in which the vaccinated child was vaccinated against. Don’t believe me? Go ask an Oncologist!
*CAN become sick
Measles Transmitted By The Vaccinated, Gov. Researchers Confirm
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/measles-transmitted-vaccinated-gov-researchers-confirm
People crack me up… One there is NO WAY this crazy lady would know which kids are unvaccinated or not so tackling some kid is INSANE! Second unvaccinated kids DO NOT WALK AROUND CARRYING THESE DISEASES!!! They catch them just like your “fully” vaccinated child!!! They spread them the same as your vaccinated child the difference once they catch it they have real immunity to it not some bullshit made up immunity!
Sincerely,
A mom of a vaccinated and non-vaccinated child 🙂
Thank you! People don’t understand how vaccinations work! Ugh…
You all are kind Of ridiculous. This article is full of holes. Especially the statistic about 2001-2012 kids under 5 getting the measles. Measles were eradicated from the United States in 2000 that figure was from all countries including third world countries. Second of all, some off 10 percent of the people who got the measles WERE vaccinated. And lastly you guys act like this is a new movement. How many of your kids have raggedy Anne dolls? That was the original symbol for the anti-vaxx movement in 1915!! Do some research before you start yelling at people.
Where do some of you get your information?? The majority of what you all are posting has no scientific background nor any evidence base to it! It’s called herd immunity and it’s a great thing, look it up on a reputable site! My choice is to vaccinate myself and my children, and yes I do have a medical degree! My choice was made based on medical research not some article on the Internet that has no validity. Your choice is yours, just do your research and make it based on real facts!
You did a great job! Thanks for saying it all! I wish you and your family the very best!
Let’s take autism out of the equation. Ok, so now vaccines don’t cause autism, cool. But I’m very interested to read the study that deems MMR as “totally safe” otherwise. Please let us know where that can be found.
I truly wish that there were a way to reverse all vaccine-induced protections, to be given to the parents who are slavering and frothing about ‘saving’ their special snowflake children from the dangers of vaccines. Their own parents made sure they received the vaccines, so they themselves are at no danger of disease. I think that needs to be changed, and they need to experience all the diseases themselves.
Um, I did. In 1984 (I was 9), as did all my siblings (9). One did not ever have symptoms but a test shows he gained lifelong immunity just by being exposed to us. My mother and dad also had the measles when they were growing up. Although, like my brother, my mom never experienced symptoms but when tested, shows she has the lifetime immunity. That is exactly why I chose not to vaccinate. We also all had the chicken pox. My 2 older sisters had the mumps. I simply cannot believe people are messing with their kids’ natural immune symptoms to avoid being sick for 3 days! That 3 days of minor illness will protect them for a lifetime and those that become moms will pass on their immunity to their infants up to 1 year (actually more recent studies show that the maternal immunity can last between 4 and 10 years). If your kids are healthy, eat well, you try to detoxify their environment (in other words BE A MOM) your kids will be totally fine. I get it, it’s hard. As a working mom of 4, I know how HARD it is not to buy fast food or packaged food. It’s HARD and EXPENSIVE to shop at specialty foods to find good food and natural products. It’s HARD to stay home with your kid instead of sending their fragile immune systems off to germ infested daycares, but I do it. I can’t make other parents feed their kids right or count on them not to spread germs to my kiddos but I can sure as heck make sure my kids are in the best possible place to fight off those germs.
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/im-no-anti-vaxxer-measles-vaccine-cant-prevent-outbreaks-1
Here’s a thought…. there are those who stand to make a huge profit or get paid (gvnmt, md’s, trollers) from vaccines and then there are those “crazy anti vaccers” (cdc whislteblowers, parents of vaccine injured children, doctors and nurses who know better and who have a conscience) who don’t. Hmmm.
You realize that doctor’s offices actually LOSE money on vaccines. There is no money in vaccines. There IS money in hospital stays. If your child gets the measles and needs to be hospitalized, they’re going to make a ton off you. If your theory was not writ on water, there would be far more people insisting you don’t vaccinate.
I could do without the vulgar lauguage but agree with the articles intent & passion wholeheartedly!!
Freedom of speech
Well my choice to not vaccinate my child is only that MY choice alone. Until you actually research the topic (in resources that have actually done the research ) and read the vaccine inserts which states the risk there’s no point in arguing with you. Other than that good luck blindingly following everything the CDC has to say … Because in 1958 the CDC also stated that smoking did NOT cause cancer !
Preach!
I effing LOVE you for writing this!!
How much cash do you make from the fascist running this show….. Good propaganda… Can’t even decide what your argument is….
“A mom who vaccinated her kids because she thinks scientists are a whole lot smarter than she is”
Why don’t you ask those uber smart scientist why little kids are getting cancer.. the very thing that is keeping your child from getting vaccinated. Why the rates of all sorts of illnesses are going sky high…. diabetes, cancer, osteoporosis, autism, etc. Do those uber smart scientist mention pesticides residue all over our food supply, GMO crops, shooting chemicals and heavy metals into our children’s bodies OVER and OVER again, drugging our children for every little sniffle? Do they mention how our water supplies are poisoned with not only chlorine and fluoride but pharmaceutical drugs as well? Do they mention how parents are too lazy or too wrapped up in their own existence to regularly feed their kids home cooked healthy meals instead of throwing them a box of chicken nuggets from MckDs for nearly every meal? Do they mention kids sitting in front of TVs and wireless devices instead of playing outside in the fresh air?
Oh that’s right, they don’t… they don’t seem to have an answer to why children who are SUPPOSED to be healthy and have the best immune system of us all are falling victim to illnesses you used to only see in older people. I’m not trying to be cruel but here’s the thing… my healthy children who are nearly grown and have never been vaccinated (and never had any of the illnesses they would have been vaccinated for) shouldn’t have to pump their bodies full of known toxins putting their own health at risk to protect a child who’s parents might or might not have been raising their own children in a healthy fashion. I don’t know you, and I don’t know your lifestyle, but I know when children are getting serious illnesses at a young age something isn’t right… it’s usually one of two things deficiencies or exposer to toxicity.
I also know that every family around me including my own family members (so you can’t pull the genetics card) has kids that are sick CONSTANTLY… ear infections, respiratory infections, immune issues, surgeries left and right.. pull this out, fix this, etc. Yet my children who are exposed to all these other children never seem to pick up any of these illnesses. Why is that? Maybe you should ask the uber smart scientists. Or better yet, stop relying on people who are “smarter” than you to do your job and research health and nutrition yourself… cause you’re not going to find it in a doctor’s office or the bottom of a pill container! You’re also not going to be able to blame those scientist if tragedy occurs because they don’t care about you or your family. You are a number, you are a dollar sign. You are the only one who has to answer to your child’s health. Take responsibility and stop blaming everyone else.
SMH: This is excellent – thank you.
Your anger is misguided. Is there anything on the CDC’s website that states that a child injected with the MMR vaccine can actually infect others and cause the measles to spread up to 6 weeks after administration like the MMR vaccine insert from the manufacturer says? I guess that’s information they don’t make easily accessable on there.
I do not have time to read the comments, so I am sure the point was already made, but a vaccinated child/person can spread a virus or bacteria just as easily as one who got a shot. Also, vaccine/drug companies are there to make money. The US has the highest (by far) per capita healthcare cost, but a very low quality rating for the healthcare system. Everyone needs there nervous system checked, especially children. Drugs come later, but only if its the last straw.
‘Everyone needs there nervous system checked’ – if you can’t use correct grammar, or cite your credentials and publications, I doubt you know what you are talking about.
Hmmm…..hold on a second people use your d**n brain & logic! You are getting upset with a mom who didn’t vaccinate there child but hold on all those others kids were vaccinated correct? Then how is it that if those other children were vaccinated did they get the measles? Isn’t that what a vaccine does? Isn’t it supposed to prevent those kids from getting the measles? So tell me how is it that they got the measles from a child that wasn’t vaccinated if they themselves were vaccinated??? Umm….ya that’s because vaccines are a billion dollar industry that doesn’t really protect you they just make you think your protected oh & by the way they poison your child by giving them 32 shots before the age of two! It makes absolutely no sense! So you get your children vaccinated to prevent them from getting & spreading disease & yet if all those children are vaccinated & one is not then there to blame. What the hell was your child vaccinated for if one child that’s not caused them to get the disease. Wasn’t your child supposed to be protected from your so called life saving vaccine??? Wake up people!!!
I’m a nurse who has seen the devastation that the these so called childhood diseases can cause, not just on kids but adults who don’t realize they are not immune. I have taken care of patients who contracted chicken pox as adults. One died, the other spent 6 weeks in the ICU. Not good. And not only are their children who can’t receive vaccinations but there are adults with compromised immune systems…and unfortunately these folks aren’t labeled; who is on chemo? Who is HIV+? And on and on…so please vaccinate your kids and have your titers checked…cause you may not know if you are immune or not.
First of all, this article just screams of misplaced anger to me. Cancer sucks, and cancer is scary, but this whole post just really comes off as vitriol that needed to be vented somewhere and to someone. Why not anti-vac parents?
Second, I nervously and cautiously DID vaccinate my children, but *I* had a severe reaction to the DTP shot when I was a baby. I ended up in the hospital with seizures. I wasn’t able to complete the series and will never be fully vaccinated against those diseases. So to just DEMAND that all parents fall in line with YOUR parental choices is just unfair. This is a free country, we are free to say no to vaccines, and sometimes there is even a good reason! You’re just going to have to suck it up and deal with the fact that vaccines aren’t mandatory and some parents–like mine!–also have their good reasons for saying no to vaccines.
Finally, while I get that it’s the “cute, funny, hip” thing to do these days to be snarky and foul-mouthed about parenting…just a bit of advice. If you want parents to take your “medical advice” and other parenting tips seriously, how about not writing a book in which you refer to your own kids as a-holes in the title? Wow.
AS for that misplaced anger…I’m starting to see a pattern here.
Why do people like this make posts about things they no nothing about? The CDC is not a credible source on this topic! For God’s sake. They are all in bed with each other financially! And more outbreaks have occurred from vaccinated people and in completely vaccinated populations than not since the vaccine programs have been implemented. Just look at the total disease rates (not only but including measles) in vaccinated populations vs completely unvaccinated populations. Statistically the higher percentage of vaccination the higher incidence of every single disease! I wonder why the amish don’t have hardly any disease and zero autism.. every one of them unvaccinated. Weird right? Wake up people!
Sorry, but if anyone ever tackled my kid and tried to stick toxic waste into them, they would be in a casket. You all sound like a bunch of idiots. Can any of you list the ingredients in a vaccine? Can any of you say you asked to see the hand out that comes in the box of vaccine viles? Can any of you say that you looked up what each and every one of those ingredients are and what they do to the body, mind, and personality of a human, especially a tiny one? NO? I have! I have a child who was injured by vaccines. Until you have to live with a child who’s been permanently injured by a vaccine, shut your mouth! If you know what’s in a vaccine, know what it can do to a tiny body, and still decide to pump your child full of it, well, then, you should be charged with child abuse. You all are pathetic. Kids get cancer because of the vaccines. Do your due diligence as parents.. Look up what’s in te vaccines and what they do to you. The CDC has a list. Look it up.. Bunch of sheep, you are leading your children to slaughter. But that’s ok right? Sacrifice your children just because someone told you it was ok.
Ha this cracked me up. Agreed!
Great rant! I agree that nobody should be able to tell you what to do unless your behavior negatively affects others. Let’s teach our kids to be responsible citizens – start young and teach them that their actions can have consequences outside of themselves.
http://www.autismspeaks.org/science/science-news/largest-ever-study-autism-pollution-shows-strong-link-during-pregnancy
If vaccines don’t cause autism, EVER, then why do some vaccine inserts state it is a possible rare side effect. And why did William W. Thompson, Ph.D. of the CDC say there IS an increased risk of autism in some people? http://www.morganverkamp.com/august-27-2014-press-release-statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/
Is MMR really healthy for your child. When my daughter got her first MMR shot she got ITP shortly after and the doctors told me that it was linked to the vaccine. My daughter’s platelet cells drops and she ended up in the hospital for a week and got sick to the point she was vomiting. Can you imagine seeing that happen to your child at a year old? It broke my heart. Do you really know whats in these shots? My child will never get a flu shot after knowing whats really in it. People need to stop being zombies of the world and actually educate yourself.
I have always wondered why people feel that a dead child, or killing someone else’s child is preferable to a child with autism. While there are challenges to raising a child with those differences I would NEVER choose a grave over the possiblity of those challenges.
There have been 109,000+ cases of measles in the UK since 1992 which was the last time a child died. How many cases of autism have their been diagnosed in that time? (that’s a completely illogical argument but given some of the ridiculous posts around here I think it will fit in quite nicely)
https://leviquackenboss.wordpress.com/2015/01/27/dear-mom-who-thinks-i-need-to-vaccinate-my-kids-against-measles/
GOD FREAKING BLESS YOU! My 4yr old son has Leukemia..HE CANNOT get the MMR and I die inside every time I hear about (asshat) someone not getting their kid immunized. SELFISH SELFISH SELFISH. I know there are those granola like people out there who think they are so overly educated amongst the rest of us morons out here, but s**t, really? Put my kid at risk because your little group of tree huggers think that the MMR causes autism, insane much?!! And just to make the record keep playing I’m a tree hugger myself, but would never risk life of my child or others just because it’s the “cool” thing to do at the time (I really think that is half of it..peer pressure, remember Jr. High?!). APPLAUSE for you bringing to light what all us cancer moms thing and scream internally at those non vaccine types! BRAVO for putting out there what we all want to post on every billboard in the US!
Blah blah. People have a whole plethora of very valuable reasons why they don’t vaccinate calling all non-vaccinators idiots is a little heavy handed considering you don’t know them at all. Suck it.
People call non-vaxxers idiots because they are. Sarah, sometimes the truth just hurts.
I’ll just leave this right here: https://leviquackenboss.wordpress.com/2015/01/27/dear-mom-who-thinks-i-need-to-vaccinate-my-kids-against-measles/
It seems very convenient to blame anti vaccers for this latest outbreak. But, I have not heard anyone blame the influx of illegal immigrants, specifically the children from Central America that are crossing the borders unaccompanied. There was estimated 60,000 to 80,000 children last year and an estimated 130,000 coming this year. These children will be bringing many diseases with them. You can also get the disease from the vaccine. http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00000359.htm
This was so poorly written that I cannot imagine anyone being persuaded by anything said here, and I will certainly not waste my time reading this blog ever again.
The mope here is the writer of this article…..she obviously has neither the background nor knowledge of the science behind vax’s to offer such an opinion…….she is emotionally driven. The CDC is hardly a reliable source for vax info since they are part of the agenda. There is, in fact, little legit science that supports the efficacy of vax’s. One must know the complete history and development of vax’s before they can understand what they are about. Herd immunity is a bullshit theory….nothing proven……there are lots of experts on both sides of this debate. My evaluation and decision to forego vax’s is based on a solid background in physiology, biochemistry and 30 years of clinical experience. I was in favor of vax’s at one time……avoiding them makes better sense.
Absolutely couldn’t have said it better myself. I guess I went on a rant as my comment is below yours. You summed up mine in few words. Well done.
For those of you, especially the author of this horrid post, that do not understand the scientific method or chemistry in creating vaccines; here is a lesson for you. In order to create a vaccine you have to have a strain of that particular disease. It takes months upon months to create a vaccine that is anywhere near effective as the process is to include the strain with several different chemical makeups. Where do they get these strains? Hmmmm lets think about it for a second. The strains used to create vaccines come from the CURRENT people that have developed the sickness. Blood work is done and the specimen is sent to a lab. Im sure all have enough common sense to figure out what happens next. Now to break it down. Viruses and diseases have a makeup that allows them to mutate in certain conditions. This happens very quickly at times. For the above; you are a cancer mom; praying for you and your family, so with that in mind you understand that diseases mutate and cause serious problems that sometimes can’t be kept under control even by the best doctor; THEY MUTATE. IF LABS TAKE STRAINS OF THE DISEASE FROM 2014 IT TAKES THEM UNTIL 2015 TO RELEASE IT. YOU ARE NOW GETTING LAST YEAR’S STRAIN OF THESE DISEASES. THEY HAVE MUTATED SINCE THEN AND IT RENDERS THE VACCINATION USELESS!!!!!!! UNDERSTAND! Onto other facts! The strain is a very small amount of the disease. Just enough so that your body recognizes there is a foreign substance entering the body. When injecting it into the blood stream it causes your body to build antibodies and increase white blood cells to defend itself against the unrecognized attacker and much much more but this isnt an anatomy phisiology class here.Then if you do catch the disease again your immune system is flagged and it starts the fighting process. If your immune system is weak it doesn’t matter if you have received the vaccine or not as the vaccine does not build the immune system enough to fight it alone just simply activates it by recognition of the disease to do its own fighting. If you want to boost your immune system there are many more safe ways. However, I am not totally against all vaccines. I am just careful not to get something injected into me that is useless. The vaccines that are released in days or weeks are in no way shape or form effective as it is not chemically or scientifically possible. As for all your bashing of people that don’t vaccinate everytime one comes out, shame on you! As you are no chemist or scientist and fully do not understand the likes of science, the human body, microbiology, or pharmaceuticals. I however am in the medical field and very much trust medicine and many doctors, but I also understand a businesses number one goal is to make money and this is exactly what pharmaceutical companies do. There are many MANY corrupt doctors and pharmacist that work in these situations together. Whould you trust a perfect stranger to inject something in your body? That is essentially what your doing when you dont understand fully how the human body works along with the immune system. I could go on forever and teach you a thing or two but I wont. Oh and there ARE absolutely hidden cases of autism, mental retardation, and vaccination errors everywhere. I do not get my information about the human body and vaccines off of Google people. I went to school for a very long time to undrstand it and learn. So for the people that havent don’t try to talk about these complex things unless you are educated in the area. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and TO DO WHAT YOU WANT WITH YOUR OWN BODY. Don’t continue bashing people that choose not vaccinate themselves based on the simple words of other human beings. Ponder this: In the Amish community NONE of them get vaccinated. They are fine and they do not make everybody sick. Keep publishing books about kids and all the what nots because in the medical and science category you have failed. Chew on that.
Ya, so you don’t understand how many vaccinated diseases work or how vaccines work. You are sorta kinda stating some semi-factual information about the flu vaccine and its development. The flu vaccine need to be re-deployed each year due to the many strains. Sometimes they get it wrong and you get a strain from a flu virus that isn’t as prolific BUT BUT BUT if you get the flu the duration should be shorter and the symptoms less even though you got the “wrong” flu vaccine. There are many mutations of Mumps, Measles, and Polio but the vaccines take that into account. They teach the body to protect from disease and need not match the disease mutation 100%.
Go into any Children’s hospital in the Pennsylvania, Ohio,Upstate New York, or Illinois area and you will almost always see Amish families there for care for their critically ill children because they don’t want to do any sort of genetic testing or vaccination and end up having children die of diseases that could have been prevented by not procreating with a cousin that carries the same genetic disease or because their kid got the mumps (or both). My source is not the fantasies in my head but rather my job at a pediatric hospital. Amish kids are getting sick and sicker, and they probably have infected others. Just because you don’t personally know someone who got sick from an un-vaccinated Amish kid doesn’t mean you know everything.
When I was young (I am 59) my parents vaccinated me against all the relevant diseases including smallpox. I vaccinated my children, who are now in their 30s, against every everything but I did not need to vaccinate them against smallpox because the disease had been wiped out because of the worldwide vaccination of children against this disease. Polio has been wiped out in many countries because of almost 100% vaccination but is coming back in countries like Afganistan where it wasn’t eradicated because the Taliban said vaccination was a western ploy to kill Afganis. I don’t know anyone of my daughters’ generation who contracted measles because before the autism farce people vaccinated their children, but measles is making a comeback because of lack of adequate numbers of people vaccinating their children now. Peoople didn’t complain of problems surrounding vaccination until the thought was put into their mind that this was a possibilty and they blindly continue to believe it despite scientific evidence to the contrary.
You make a good point. Maybe the anti-vaxxers should move to Afghanistan since they clearly have a lot in common with the Taliban! I think you may have solved the problem Rose!
IF only people who have these crazy conspiracy theories saw how they are similar to terrorists in their hate, vitriol, and belief in fantasy over reality maybe they would come to their senses.
Let’s trade lives for a day and you will see my crazy conspiracy theory in action.
https://leviquackenboss.wordpress.com/2015/01/27/dear-mom-who-thinks-i-need-to-vaccinate-my-kids-against-measles/
James Barber, my doctor is anti-vax!
Dear “Chris” Chiropractors are untrained non-medical Charlatans. They have no standard of care and only call themselves Dr. but don’t have to follow the protocols or ethics that real Drs must follow. I could go sign up for a Chiropractic program today, pay them some money and take a few classes and be a “licensed” Chiropractor before the year is through. I’d do that, but I have morals.
Sincerely,
Someone with a brain
Chris’s original Statement:
Chris | January 28, 2015 at 8:37 am |
If you wan to train your immune system you shoud see a chiropractor. By removing the interference in the connection between the brain and body it allows the body to operate the way it was designed. Your immune system will functikn at its 100% when there is balance in the system and no longer live in the sympathetic state. Stress further depresses your immune system by putting you more in the right brain, thus limiting the time the left brain has to control the immune system. Go go get checked, they know the nervous system.
– See more at: https://babysideburns.com/2015/01/vaccinate-measles/#sthash.oP7cro4Q.dpuf
I really should spare my fingers the energy here of even responding to someone who wrote a book called “I love My Little Aholes” but alas your vile words about how you want to stab my pure innocent healthy little children with your disgusting chemical disease laden vaccines won’t let me. You are all drinking the Kool-aide and are reaffirmed by your Facebook friends, mommy bloggers and “huff post” articles. The majority of us who don’t vaccinate have spent an insane amount of time and research on this effort because our kids deserve better than knodding and smiling at our doctor….who is just a persons btw not a GOD. In fact, you may even say our Research is obsessive and our choice is INFORMED. So keep sleepen…the government and doctors with their lined pockets gotcho back y’all.
Ps…..there is an old saying “don’t cast pearls to swine”. When you grow up, maybe you’ll be ready to hold the pearls.
You do realize that reading b.s. at sites like http://www.vaccinesareevil.com is not research it is “research” and mental m**********n, right? Nope, you don’t. Anyways, if you could point to some RELIABLE resources from legitimate sources I’d gladly read them. But, I suspect you’ll either ignore this response, respond by telling me I’m a moron, or link to some articles in very sketchy websites.
My mom is like you, she believes everything she reads online as long as it confirms her original feelings/thoughts. If it backs up her prejudice she will believe it, even if multiple sources point out how the thing she believes is wrong. I’m so glad I didn’t inherent her stupidity.
Read the inserts in the shots. You can do your own research.
So would you read this: http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/im-no-anti-vaxxer-measles-vaccine-cant-prevent-outbreaks-1
Yes i realize the site is in support of natural immunity but the statements from the doctor were valid and let’s be honest, it’s not like the CDC is going to put out statements like this, that contradict what they are trying to do. You don’t go to sport’s illustrated to read about the stock market… know what i mean?
Please, everyone read this article by a doctor!
http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/arizona-cardiologist-responds-to-critics-regarding-measles-and-vaccines/
Love this.
Oh boy what a touchy subject! Good luck to all of you with tryin to win this debate over one another! All valid points that should always be considered! But sittng here debating and name calling back in forth isn’t helping!
Thank you…Because my child DOES have cancer. Thank you thank you thank you thank you.
The CDC is the same biased organisation pushing circumcision for financial reasons, whilst recycling condemned “studies” to give their campaign legitimacy. Nothing they say is trustworthy.
go to this link: http://www.vaccineriskawareness.com/Vaccines-And-Sudden-Infant-Death-Syndrome
and scroll down to “baby deaths” – put those real-life, factual stories up against the fictitious one that this author has put out there for her fear -mongering rant.
I domt think you’rd funny in the least I think you are a fear mongering retard. I have three friends with vaccine injured children I’ll be damned if I’m giving that S**t to my kids.
Wow don’t think you’re funny at all! I would have had a lot more respect for you if you would have just left off the P.S about your book
I wouldn’t exactly call that a spanking. When you read it carefully, it’s quite the flawed one-sided argument that turns into exactly what it’s criticizing here, and I quote: ” …intolerant sewage and bigotry coming out of your mouth or anyone else’s who thinks they have the right to weigh-in on my parenting. You want to vaccinate your kiddo and put every single child at risk? You go right ahead.”
It turned personal and it just added more fuel to the fire rather than bringing critical information into the debate.
Well this has been a very interesting discussion. I sympathize with and see good arguments on both sides. I sympathize with the families with children who have children with horrible immune deficient diseases. As a parent you need to do whatever it takes to protect your children. If that means putting them in a bubble so they don’t come into contact with something that could harm them then do it. However, if I think, as a parent, that there is even the slightest chance that my children could get something worse than what i had them treated for, or even die from something I willingly had them injected with then no, it’s not going to happen. Bad things happen in this world, we can’t stop that. We can only do our best we can with the information we have and live with the choices we make. When we judge others we fail to take responsibility for ourselves. And that’s all I got to say about that.
If all children were vaccinated…it wouldn’t matter is traveling adults without vaccination carried it in. Children would be protected. Hence…the purpose of a vaccination system…to stop it before it spreads. This is not rocket science people….do you want to protect your children from a horrible deadly disease or leave them susceptible to all diseases? Yes, there can be side effects for some, but the numbers prove overwhelmingly that safety is on the side of the vaccines.
Here’s a thought – if you’re so convinced this is all some big conspiracy between the government (every government, every political party in every single country for the last 30+ years?!), big pharma (all the pharma companies, all across the world) and the mainstream media (again, all the media outlets of every political leaning, across the world, for the last 30+ years), why on earth would you send your kids to public school anyway? Surely they are poisoning your kids there with the hand sanitizer and government mandated curriculum and food services etc.
‘Cause here’s the thing, MY kid can’t get the MMR vaccine. That’s right. MY kid has cancer and can’t get it, so when your very healthy kid who can handle getting the measles spreads that s**t to my kid who can’t, guess what happens to my kid.
SHE DIES.
As in gone forever. (FYI, I’m using creative license here to make a point and neither Zoey nor Holden really has cancer and both of them have been vaccinated for everything under the sun).
Ouch. That right there, kinda stung a little……because my 3 year old daughter does have cancer. I get it “using it for creative license” but that took my breath away. Not upset or angry for you saying it, just cancer sucks. Yes, I have 3 kids the ages 3 and under and my oldest (who is 3) has leukemia. Not only have I vaccinated her up until she was diagnosed but now with all the treatments she has to go through for 3 years, I will have to re-vaccinate her. I won’t be able to start doing that until she is a year off of treatment (which won’t be until July, 2016). Then it’s going to take me around a year to get her re-vaccinated. I can only pray that she doesn’t get something from someone that could have been prevented. Sigh.
Its not just children that are affected by a parents choice to not vaccinate ….its all people young and old that are immune compromised ..my sister has ms….if she comes into contact with a non vaccccinated child she can die just as well….I realy applaud parents who stick by their beliefs…but when that belief may injure others…I have to wonder…why anyone would risk any persons life
Hello! If your child is vaccinated, then you have nothing to worry about. It’s my un-vaccinated child who could possibly be infected. Oh wait, many of the people who have contracted the measles were fully vaccinated. Hummm…
Ha. Exactly!
As a nursing student and being in the hospital numerous times a week, I give not only vaccinations, but other types of medications given through IV’s, shots, etc. My goal is to treat those who are ill and care for the sick. Let me posearch a question. If you have seen someone or witnessed someone suffering from the measles, an intense flu, or hepatitis, would you sit there and still refuse to get your child vaccinated? There is no secret that the pharmaceutical companies make billions of dollars off of our choice to vaccinate. However, what do you think someone gains from fabricating a research study linking autism, or any other ailment, to a vaccination? It may or may not come in the former of monetary restitution, but these “scientists” are out for the same ideal: recognition. If you actually look at real science it will tell you that percentages and number of cases that are seen from the times when vaccines were not available to the time after they have been implemented up to the present are absolutely astounding…in a very positive way….like thousands of cases to maybe 18 a year astounding. So, thank you for this article. For those who disagree: read a book founded on evidence and stop reading the US weekly of science. If you can’t do that, ask yourself if your making a decision for a child who doesn’t have the capacity to quite understand the gravity of your own thoughtless decision and putting them in harms way because you think you are “protecting” them.
Your rant does not come off as from an informed educated person about this subject. I have chosen to give my children vaccines after researching and understanding that there are great risks to each vaccine, some even include death. Though many children get this vaccine with no complications others have grave complications. I’m glad is still our right to choose weather or not we give vaccines to our children. And I respect parents who make informed decisions for their children either way.
Natural exposure requires no Booster later!!! You are immune!!! Anyone know the Death rate from Measles????
I’ve stayed out of the immunization argument because it doesn’t affect my, (healthy, fully vaccinated), children. Now I feel like an asshole. If my child was unable to get the vaccine,and someone put my child in danger by choosing not to vaccinate, I would lose my f*cking mind. Thank you for sharing your point of view. I will try to help spread the word. Wishing your daughter lots of health and happiness.
When you get a vaccine with a live virus, it sheds through the nasal passages and skin for up to 4 weeks. If you go to the library or to the gym’s child watch, or to the grocery store, or to the park, *you shed the virus*, EXPOSING OTHER KIDS. Possibly immunocompromised kids. So your vaccinated kids do the same harm you are assuming that non vaccinated kids do. The difference is, unvaccinated kids just don’t wear every virus on their sleeve like everybody thinks.
https://leviquackenboss.wordpress.com/2015/01/27/dear-mom-who-thinks-i-need-to-vaccinate-my-kids-against-measles/
Uuuughhhhh…….the pure stupidity of this women is astounding. Yet another garbage piece written with Jack s**t facts. Blah, blah, blah…you’re such a talented blogger, so cutting edge…puke.
Here’s a ‘thought’. Instead of “going there” why don’t you head on over to read vaccine injury and compensation cases that have been PROVEN and settled. Do us all a favor and shut your fat gob!!
You is bomb.
You are entitled to your opinion, but your opinion is totally off the mark. The measles vaccine is called the MMR vaccine and is comprised of THREE live viruses. Read the vaccine insert. Anyone that receives this vaccine has the potential to shed these viruses. It says right in the insert to stay away from immune compromised individuals. So your vaccinated kiddos’ peers are a danger to your ‘fake’ cancer ridden Zoey and Holden. Do some d**n reading on the products you buy, please.
This is the most awful post I’ve ever read. Just awful. Completely disrespectful
Well said!!
you my dear need to do
some more research beyond the cdc.. wow..
My son had the vaccine when he was a baby (14 yrs ago). Obviously, before i was educated on vaccines. Guess what?!!!! He ended up getting so sick from the vaccine, came down with full blown measles and almost died! Never another vaccine from that day forward!!!! You can vaccinate your children if you wish. Do not judge me and assume you know why i CHOOSE to not vaccinate. P.S. well said Debbie Voss!
The problem with this is that my unvaccinated ild doesn’t just magilly ave measles or any other disease. When someone has it my child is more at risk to catch it than yours anyway if you believe the vaccine bs. Not to mention when your child gets the MMR shot or any of the others they are a carrier for the vaccine and can in fact spread it. You can read that on the CDC site as well. I do not believe MMR causes autism. That was proved false forever ago. I went to the CDC website and from what I read vaccinating is not a good choice for my family and I.
Bottom line: If you are anti-vax, why ever go see a doctor at all? Because if they are recommending that you give your children this horrible vaccination that has all these horrible side effects and can cause all these horrible complications, just so they can line their pockets from this “imaginary conglomerate” that wants to fill their pockets while duping EVERYONE that vaccines really help when they don’t, in turn hurting our children, why do you trust them at all? If your child’s pediatrician is saying along with everyone in the reputable scientific community “get vaccinated” and you don’t believe they are truly speaking for what’s in the best interest of not only your child but your community, just go live off the grid somewhere away from the rest of us cause obviously you don’t need the knowledge of medical school graduates who save kids lives everyday, kids just like yours, to help you when your kid gets sick. If you don’t trust them on vaccine advice why do you bother believing them on anything??? You don’t really need that antibiotic for strep! It’s just a huge conspiracy to line the pockets of those greedy amoxicillin producers!!
Not all pediatricians recommend it!!!
Jenn my dear – I have 4 kids and we NEVER go see drs. There is no point. My kids are healthy and since we pay out of pocket for dr visits, there really is no point. The only reason most people go is because their insurance covers it – it they had to pay out of pocket they probably wouldn’t go as often. I don’t see the point. Can the dr help my kid when he gets a cold? Can the dr help my kid when he gets an ear infection (actually none of my 4 kids aged 3 to 13 have ever had one.)? The drs have actually never needed to see my kids so… the ped I am signed up with and who I will go to in case I need to, is anti-vax and other medication, so um yeah… what was your question?
My children’s doctor does not recommend vaccinating. That’s why I take my kids there. She is more interested in seeing their growth. There was a time my youngest has needed an antibiotic. It would be unethical to keep medical care away from a child who needs it just because we chose to stay away from vaccines, don’t you think? We do a reduced number of well baby visits, but I like to get to know a doctor so I can trust him/her with other needs. And there are others.
Wow talk about a bunch of ignorance. I could sit here all night and argue but I will leave this one and only link to show you pro vax people you have no idea what your talking about.
http://news.sciencemag.org/health/2013/11/whooping-cough-vaccine-does-not-stop-spread-disease-lab-animals
I had measles, german measles, mumps, whooping cough and chicken pox all before I turned 2 (am nearly 50 now) did it hurt me, no…did I have my kids vaccinated??? You bet I did, all 4 had chicken pox before the vaccine was available, but didn’t get anything else and guess what? None have autism, in fact all are extremely intelligent and caring young men…I’m so glad that they didn’t have to suffer the other illnesses, as it was bad enough to have them go through chicken pox, while no lasting damage was done was hard on their little bodies, one had it a 6 mons, one at 14 mons, one at 2 years and the other at 2.5 years, not fun to nurse them through.
1.) Lots lf typos and grammatical errors just fyi
2.) An awesome rebuttal to spice up the convo 😉
https://leviquackenboss.wordpress.com/2015/01/27/dear-mom-who-thinks-i-need-to-vaccinate-my-kids-against-measles/
Thx….Thx…. THANK YOU FOR SAYING IT!!! My daughter received a heart transplant. ….before this, kids coming to school very sick, with fevers and throwing up are many of the reasons why I pulled her out of school. Mom’s with healthy kids have no idea how blessed they are…. “VACCINATE” if your kiddo can be!!! Many “BLESSINGS” to you “Momma Bear” and to your “Bear Cubs”! 😉
Wow, lots of misinformation here. This mother needs to educate herself!!
http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2014/06/24/measles-and-measles-vaccines-fourteen-things-to-consider-by-roman-bystrianyk-co-author-dissolving-illusions-disease-vaccines-and-the-forgotten-history/
Just so you know, a LOT of reliable experts are anti-vaccine. My child’s doctor is one of them. Many doctors are against them. But are they only reliable if they agree with your opinion? There are so few, because in big money businesses, few people choose to do stand up for what they think is right, because it means they don’t get that bonus check. You will never take away my rights to keep those horrible toxins out of my kid’s bodies. If you are so afraid of unvaccinated children, then keep YOURS at home.
Haha! My thoughts exactly! What gives anyone the right to tell me to keep my un-vaccinated child at home? Oh, yeah! It’s the same thing that gives us the right to tell them to keep their vaccinated kids at home! It’s called freedom! How many of these vaccinated kids are also on antibiotics for every little sniffle, helping to contribute to the growth of resistant super-bugs?
All 4 o my children are fully vaccinated and only once has any of the 4 been on antibiotics and that was because she was an infant with a bad ear infection. Actually we avoid using antibiotic products (soaps, detergents, etc.) because it just makes germs more resistant and it also does not help my children build strong immune systems. Being someone with an auto-immune disease that means I have to take medication every day for the rest of my life, I know how important it is to have a strong immune system. It takes me 2-3 times longer to get over the flu than it does anyone else in my household and I get it worse than any of them do, I can’t imagine what it would be like if I got measles.
“I get it. You’re like a mama bear. A mama bear that protects her young against any and all dangers. And no one can say you have to give your kiddo some bullshit shot full of chemicals that might have a few side effects.
I totally agree. We should all protect our children from anything that’s gonna hurt them.” — Oh, good! Then you totally understand that I’m not going to wholeheartedly believe a pharmaceutical company just because they say it’s safe, or a government agency just because they say it’s safe. I bet you think spraying your food with pesticide is totally safe because Monsanto says it is and the FDA says it is! Monsanto is a mega corporation and they would never lie! Maybe there is a reason that childhood cancer has become so prevalent?
Very distasteful.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/health/flu-vaccine-paradox-adds-to-public-health-debate-1.2912790
To each their own, all 3 of my children have been vaccinated, and all 3 are perfectly healthy and thriving. There are risks with every vaccine and every medication. It’s not up to the world to decide if the the risks outweigh the benefits, it is up to the parents of the children or the adults receiving them. I chose to vaccinate, you chose not to, personal choice.
Why does your child trump mine? We have decided to no longer vaccinate as my child lost all speech for months the day after his shots. He now has massive behaviors. Want to deal with that for awhile? Great because I am TIRED! He throws chairs, has a feeding tube, why because his gut and bowels are needed up from vaccination. Oh and you have to handle a tube feed also… Why because vaccines screwed my child for life! I would much rather trade a rash for what my litt one has to deal with daily!!! Wan t to trade a reah for daily behaviors? or the hours I spentin the car driving to therapies or the financial ruin because who will employ a mom that gets calls from school to pick him up. Let’s trade a rash for all that?! please??? I would gladly trade a rash for the daily hell we live through when he has behaviors.
Great article. Although, I think the part where you say that your kid has cancer and then you say they don’t, hurts the credibility of the points you are trying to make. I wholeheartedly agree that parents should vaccinate their children to protect those who don’t have a strong immune system. Thank you for writing this.
“I’m just a stoopid mom in fat pants who still has baby brain three years after I was preggers. ”
Yep, that about covers it.
From the sounds of it, scientists aren’t the only ones who are a lot smarter than you.
Whether I agree with your opinion or not the way you present your case and ramble on about “effin this” and “stuffing green s**t” makes you sound like typical white trash. Why people would listen to anything you say is ridiculous.
The potential side effects of measles are the same potential side effects of the MMR vaccination.
Sure MMR has never been “proven” to cause autism. But encephalitis has and encephalitis is a potential side effect of the MMR vaccine. Says so right in the pamphlet.
I could say “skydiving has never been proven to cause death” and be just as accurate as those who say vaccinations don’t cause autism. Well, faulty parachutes cause death and that’s a potential side effect of skydiving.
Alternatively “we can’t prove that the brain hemorrhage was caused by Mr. Smith being hit by a truck. For all we know he had that hemorrhage from previous head trauma”. (Another way the pharmaceutical companies are able to avoid the link between autism and vaccinations).
I could list a hundred examples of how ridiculous your argument is. “Vaccines don’t cause autism”. I’ll give you that. But potential encephalitis which in turn can potentially cause autism is enough for me. It may be a million to one odds but that is not a lottery I wish to participate in.
Finally, my child who doesn’t have measles has 0% chance of giving your child measles. However your child who just had their vaccination and is shedding a live virus for the next 4-6 weeks can’t say the same.
“Alternatively “we can’t prove that the brain hemorrhage was caused by Mr. Smith being hit by a truck. For all we know he had that hemorrhage from previous head trauma”. (Another way the pharmaceutical companies are able to avoid the link between autism and vaccinations).”
What’s really sad about this exact scenario is that there are dads sitting in prison right now accused of shaking their babies, causing head trauma and death when really the brain swelling was from recent vaccinations.
Are you saying that these dads who shook their babies should not be in prison because their babies brain swelling was supposedly caused by vaccinations? Who discovered these babies had brain swelling from vaccination and not from the shaking?
https://leviquackenboss.wordpress.com/2015/01/27/dear-mom-who-thinks-i-need-to-vaccinate-my-kids-against-measles/
Thank you so much. Did these eh hem ignoramus parents miss the HUGE NEWS tHat the made up scientific link to autism and other crud was TOTALLY MADE UP??!!! Seriously, I know it’s rough to have your new baby poked with needles and injected, but the alternative is FAR Far worse. Immunize your children. I have yet To meet a child that was upset with their parents for immunizing them…. If you don’t believe me, come on into your local government office or better immigration or social security office with your in-immune child with everyone hacking and snarfing on your new baby, wanting to reach out and touch your cute new baby. That same person with family that didn’t have access to immunize their children and are now horribly disfigured or horribly disabled now. SMH…. Your local government employee signing off.
So I’m a selfish jerkwad asshat spouting a bunch of bullshit because I didn’t immunize my son (he is allergic to the shots but that’s beside the point) but you’re ok in calling your kids A-holes because you vaccinate???? Shame on you for eliciting shock by lying about your kid having cancer. That is so thoughtless of you to callously throw that serious situation around to meet your whims. I’d be horrified and insulted if my child did have cancers.
Smh. I tried to get over the rudeness of the name of your book and endless, shameless self-promotion but this sealed the deal. Looks like your little apples, I mean A-holes, didn’t fall far from the tree. I’m just so glad I don’t have to go through the hassle of unsubscribing from the trash you through out there.
I don’t think the post is directed to parents who have children who are allergic. I’m pretty sure she points out the importance of the general population vaccinating BECAUSE of the children who are allergic, have immune deficiencies, etc.
Ummmmmm. As I said, my situation is beside the point. She doesn’t know why people are opposed to vaccinating their children. She just lumps anti-vaxers into the same category. Many a child was “perfectly healthy” until they got vaccinated. People who seem to hate people opposed to vaccinations should do a little more listening. I was pre-celebrity anti-vaxers but people like Mrs. A-hole here think we are dumb and follow fads blindly. So insulting.
She actually says in her post that people should vaccinate their perfectly healthy children to protect children like yours who cannot be vaccinated. The whole part about her child having cancer, (which she does note that neither of her children do, but she is using that to prove a point) is to prove the point that people with perfectly healthy children who can get vaccinated and choose to not vaccinate their child are putting children like yours, who cannot be vaccinated, at risk for catching a disease that could be devastating to them. So get off your high horse and actually read the entire post instead, because she was actually speaking on your behalf.
Ya, so I did read the whole thing and I stand by my entire comment. It’s so easy to say “well you’re the kind of people who don’t have to” and “you’re protected by herd immunity” so “get off your high horse!” How is a parent to know their child could have a reaction until they do and the child is injured, suffering and then permanently affected? My point is that we should ALL consider those risks from vaccinations, which are real, and stop calling people stupid and selfish. None of you know why each anti-vaxer makes their decisions. So, obviously is the rude people who judge who need to “get of their high horses,” you know??
But hey, if you think this mom is a good role model, promotes healthy respect for others and teaches you how to be a better mom, stick with it. I think she’s only after laughs (“if you find this in any way funny, follow my blog!) and shock value. She doesn’t have b***s, she’s straight up rude.
Finally, thanks so much for continuing the assumption that I’m dumb and didn’t actually read the article. I can see she’s rubbed off on you too. Great.
Thank you!!! I have a blood disorder so I can’t receive any live vaccines. I am up to almost 2,000 mg of antibiotics every day so I don’t get sick. If I get a fever, I have to go to the ER. Because of antivaxers, I have a legitimate fear of catching one of these preventable diseases. While there are certain risks of vaccination, I believe they far outweigh several people dying from a disease, or you know, a plague. Although I’m not a mother (yet. Hopefully one day) I think the greater good is far more important than one individual. Because this child had not been vaccinated, almost 100 people actually have measles, and as of now, 1000 people are being monitored in Arizona alone for potentially having it. Because of one.
Okay, we can all get hit by a bus and die any time, so let’s take that argument off the table.
To those who think you don’t have a social responsibility to the “group at large” go live in a f*****g cave! You receive so many benefits from this group you live in from the basics of human survival to the privilege of education (which you are apparently not taking advantage of to the fullest), social services, law enforcement, MEDICAL FACILITIES. If you think you do not owe anything to that system, then respectfully bow out and go make it on your own someplace where your diseases and idiocy won’t infect the rest of us.
To those who reason that a cancer or other immune suppressed child has a great chance of dying anyway, so what does it matter if it’s from a preventable disease, the level of your selfishness is disgusting. I have burried a child (full disclosure, it was not cancer or vaccine related I’m talking strictly about the loss here). Until you have stood over that grave, and known the ultimate heartbreak, you will NEVER understand.
Which brings me to my final comment. Wait until enough of you have a toddler child you chose not to vaccinate, who infects your infant child who cannot fight off the disease and dies . . . then tell me how you feel about vaccines. But don’t forget when it happens, that your child could have died in a million other ways too so it’s no big deal.
I still find it funny that not only once but twice now has my comments been removed proving there is zero correlation between vaccination rates and morbidity in America (it actually suggests that higher vaccination rates (above 95% 5 years running and the morbidity rates where above 1000) equals higher morbidity and lower vaccination rates 5 years prior to 2000 (below 87%) lead to the disease being deemed “eradicated”
The vaccination rates have been above 90% for the last 16 years with little to no difference (between 90 and 93%) so the anti vaxxer movement is a myth used to blame outbreaks on cause the rates would be lower at any given year if it where a real thing
The morbidity rates have fluctuated during this same timeframe so the vaccination rate doesn’t correlate with morbidity suggesting there blame has nothing to with “anti vaxxers”
Failing vaccines are probably more than likely the bigger culprit
They have found that a FULLY VACCINATED person not only cought the disease but also transmitted it to 4 more FULLY VACCINATED in new York in the 2011 outbreak so the disease is possibly being distributed by a vaccinated person just as likely as the unvaccinated
(Personally I think vaccines are far from what they suggest as far as protecting you from the diseases so regardless of what the possible adverse effects you believe in or don’t believe in the vaccines are not that effective and your less likely to catch the diseases either way)
This information can be confirmed on “WHO’S” (world health organization) website, they list both vaccination rates and morbidity rates worldwide
I would link it bit I think that might be why my comments get deleted
This holds true with pertussis as well btw
Thanks for having the courage! If I had some b***s if post this on my wall but I’m surrounded by anti vaxers. Gah!
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/measles-transmitted-vaccinated-gov-researchers-confirm
So this is about the MMR buT I recently had an issue of my child having a reaction (eczema) from head to toe withing 12 hours of receiving a prevnar13 and HepA vaccine. In trying to figure out if it was a food allergy (eggs- he won’t eat eggs and has had eczema for a very long time so could have had the allergy forever without us realizing it) or the vaccine itself.. I found the material data safety sheet (MSDS) from Pfizer. That sheets gives important info about toxicity levels. It even gives how to clean it up if it gets spilled…. Did you know… A spill of any size requires impervious clothing to clean up? So… Here is my question… I allowed the shots to be given to my son to protect him from pnuemonia and HepA… And the pnuemongoccal vaccine says its so toxic that you you need impervious clothing to clean it up.. And we just injected this straight into my kids blood stream… An adult shouldn’t get it on their skin at all because In the industrial world it is toxic.. But it’s okay to poison my 18 month old. No wonder he now has immune issues that we can’t figure out! The HepA vaccine lists an “unknown” toxicity level… Really? The company doesn’t even know how much is toxic?!
Good think I looked those up… They really relieved a lot of my fears that I was having on the safety of vaccines…. not! Oh and there is a MSDS for every chemical on the face of the planet.. It’s required by law… Sooo… MSDS = chemical.. And there is one for both of those. I would be willing to bet there is one for the MMR vaccine to.
By reading this I’m assuming your okay with giving your kids Fomaldehyde and aluminum.. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to look up what safe levels are for those chemicals are and do the math.
Oh and I’m the mom that did the research and decided that my kids having a reaction is slim to none and so they were getting vaccines… So I have two kids fully vaccinated to their age level… Both with allergies and one with a severe immune issue that has him covered in eczema that if you look it up is most likely a result of the vaccines he’s been getting.
So there us go. My story.. Maybe you could ask the parent that won’t give their kid vaccines and see if maybe they have very real unbiased data that makes them take that route… You might just get it.
Dear Ms. Alpert,
There is research that indicates there is an environmental factor which, when coupled with someone genetically prone to autism, could trigger it. One of those factors could be vaccinations in combination with something else. There is anecdotal evidence from parents with children with autism which have reported symptoms of autism after either coming in contact with some new chemical or after vaccinations.
Here’s the research http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/v17/n4/pdf/mp2011165a.pdf
Would it be that hard to imagine that the threat of a loss of herd immunity on a national/global level would be severe enough to force certain governments to suppress any insinuation that vaccines could have anything to do with a trigger to autism?
If you had a child bullied and killed as a result of his autism, you may have softened your article just a tad.
In my experience I have never met anyone who had any issues with vaccines, not saying it doesn’t happen, but there are risks from just about anything you put into your body. If your child had a bad reaction to a vaccine they could have very well had that serious reaction to eating peanuts, or strawberries.
In the research I have done, the statistics (from various sources) on adverse reactions to vaccines is generally in the 1 in 1, 2, 3 or million range depending on the vaccine. One vaccine had a much high rate of reaction, which was 1 in 1,000, but most of them were 1 out of millions. Right now there is almost 1 child in every classroom that could have a serious and potentially deadly reaction to eating a peanut, to the point where my 3 oldest children are not allowed to bring anything with peanuts to any of the 3 different schools they are in. If you are going to argue that you will not vaccinate your child because the only research you did was on the potential risks, then you might as well just stop feeding your child food, because they are at a higher risk of dying from a peanut allergy than a vaccination. I am not saying that every can vaccinate their child, but if your child is perfectly healthy and they have no risk factors that could cause a vaccine to harm them, then you are putting not only your child at risk, but the children and adults who cannot be vaccinated or have compromised immune systems, which cannot fight off diseases like measles, or even the flu. I know vaccines are not a 100% guarantee to not getting a disease, one of my children had the chicken pox vaccine and still got chicken pox, but her chicken pox were a lot less severe than I remember them being when I was a child and the vaccine was not available. The potential risks to my children getting vaccines was outweighed by the benefits. As someone who has a compromised immune system that requires me to be on medication for the rest of my life, I know how important it is to have a strong immune system and also be protecting from diseases. When the flu hits my house, it takes me 2-3 times longer to get over it and I also get worse symptoms than anyone else in my family that may also get it. Many times I am the only one who gets sick, because everyone else immune system can fight it off easier.
Our family physician believes in vaccines, but he is not one of those doctors that pushes medication, on the contrary if medication is not needed, he will not give it. My son had an ear infection just a week ago, I had the doctor take a look, it wasn’t bad and he wasn’t running a fever so no antibiotics were given and my son it fine now. Out of my 4 children, only one of them has ever been on antibiotics and that was for my youngest when she had an ear infection as an infant and her fever got high and kept rising.
I understand parents want to do what they think is best for their child, but please get your information from credible sources, and chill out on the conspiracy theories. If vaccines were such BS then why do countries who do not have vaccinations available have so many children dying from diseases that have practically been eradicated from those countries that do have the vaccines?
Dr. Bonnie S. Dunbar
Molecular Biologist
Baylor College of Medicine
May 18, 1999
Good morning and thank you for this opportunity to discuss these critical health care issues. My name is Bonnie Dunbar, and I am a research scientist and medical and graduate student professor who has worked in the areas of autoimmunity and vaccine development for over twenty five years (the past 17 years at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston).
I have been honored by the National Institutes of Health as the first Margaret Pittman lecturer for my pioneering work in vaccine development. This honor was special for me because Dr. Pittman’s contributions were instrumental in early aspects of vaccine development and because I understand the impact that some vaccines have had, and will continue to have, on our society. My ongoing research in the area of vaccine development continues to be a major commitment. I have worked extensively with the US Agency for International Development and the World Health Organization programs and have a life long commitment to carrying out research to understand, and hopefully, to help solving problems associated with world population as well as disease problems.
As I have been invited to speak to this distinguished subcommittee, it is important to discuss my experience with the clearly apparent severe adverse effects of the Hepatitis B vaccine. About five years ago, I had two individuals working in my laboratory who were required to take the Hepatitis B vaccine. Both of those individuals developed severe and apparently permanent adverse reactions as a result of the vaccine. Both of them were completely healthy and very athletic before this vaccine and have now suffered severe, debilitating autoimmune side effects from the vaccine. I have studied the complete medical history of my brother, Dr. Bohn Dunbar, who developed seriously chronic joint and muscle pain, fatigue, and multiple sclerosis-like symptoms. And now he has further been diagnosed with POTS (an autoimmune, cardiovascular, and neurological problem) and subsequently with chronic inflammatory, demyelinating polyneuropathy. His problems have been attributed to the Hepatitis B vaccine by over a dozen different specialists around the United States of unquestionable medical expertise. He has now been rated permanently and totally impaired at greater than 90%. His health care has already cost the state of Texas about a half million dollars in the Texas Worker’s Compensation Program to date, and that figure will continue to rise given the severity of his health condition.
My other student went partially blind following her first booster injection, a medical condition that was markedly exacerbated by her second booster that resulted in hospitalization. Personal communications are that her eyesight is continuing to deteriorate. Because she is in medical school she has been, understandably in my opinion, afraid to pursue investigation into her medical problems because of her concern that they might affect her medical career.
I am extremely sensitive to the need to evaluate the risk vs. benefits of any vaccine. Because of my experience in this area, it became intuitively clear to me that these two active, healthy individuals working in my laboratory developed autoimmune syndromes within a predictable immunological time frame following their booster injections of the Hepatitis B vaccine. After carrying out extensive literature research on the nature of this virus and this vaccine, it became intuitively obvious to me that there is a significant scientific probability that the vaccine is the cause of those adverse reactions. Both the published studies of reactions to viral infection and the temporal relationship of vaccine administration to adverse events suggest strongly that these adverse reactions are related to the nature of the viral protein, the recombinant surface antigen of which is the principal component of the vaccine.
I have been in contact with numerous physicians and research scientists from several countries who have independently described identical severe reactions to the vaccine in thousands of Caucasians. Their observations have been, for the most part, denied or ignored by the public health systems, as is evidenced by the serious charges against healthcare officials and pharmaceutical companies brought recently in France. The reversal of the vaccine mandate for children in France was not based on lack of documentation. I have now been contacted personally by hundreds or more individuals (including parents of infants and children) who have reported deaths, severe health problems and life long disabilities, resulting in major medical costs following the administration of this vaccine. It appears that the adverse events related to this vaccine are within a gene pool that is capable of genetic definition. I respectfully submit that rigorous scientific studies into the possibility that the vaccine can cause severe autoimmune disorders is necessary.
Perhaps you should browse the NVIC or VAERS and read about the injuries and indescribable amount of pain and suffering your so very “safe” MMR vaccine has caused to thousands of children. And that is just the MMR. So trusting are the good sheep!
Bree, perhaps you should research the devastation a measles epidemic will cause? It kills, it cripples and it’s very contagious, fortunately the majority of a parents still vaccinate so your child/children should be okay. We will stop a epidemic by vaccinating our children. So you really shouldn’t try to talk anyone out of vaccinating that way you don’t have to because we’re taking care of it
I am sorry for anybody who has cancer or child that has cancer but I’m speak the truth cause my child got mild autism from vaccinations so I stop giving her the shots and she dosent have it anymore. the lord already has our immune system set up to fight off these diseases on its own but we rather go to people and listen to people that don’t have our best interest or our children’s best interests at heart but it’s not just the shots its everything from plastic and what it’s made out of,baby formula and especially the food see what the shots does it breaks down you immune system so the things can enter and destroy us. Before I knew the truth a older lady at the store was sent by the Lord told us watch what you feed your kids you see most people don’t even read ingredients on the labels you just get it and go especially name brand foods are full of ingredients that are band in other countries so why does the fda think it’s safe to feed it to us they have hormones and gmos in everything because the know what’s it’s doing look up cancer causing ingredients word’s they words you can’t even say, the big ones are red 40,blue 6 yellow five they are in almost everything they are big cancer causing ones I warn people to stop trusting everything these people get paid to throw out here they interest is in money not you or your children but once again I am sorry for anybody suffering with cancer it is a horrible thing but it is a man made disease that makes a lot of money for them it’s really bigger than that but you will find that out if you have eyes that want to see, ears that want to hear and a spirit that want truth and see through deception.
I’m so very sorry that happened to your child, yes God gave us a immune system and I’m a firm believer in God, but obviously our immune system doesn’t always work if it did there wouldn’t if been outbreaks of Polio, Measles, mumps and Rebella. Not vaccinating is a foolish thing to do, I can’t understand why you would put your child (and other children) at risk of getting any of these horrible Illnesses they do far more harm then the vaccines could ever do.
I wonder if the parents of the children who recently came down with measles wish they had vaccinated them.? Fortunately there are enough of us parents that do vaccinate so there won’t be a epidemic, yes you can thank us. Vaccines were invented for a reason these illnesses were killing children and adults at a rapid rate they would wipe out towns. So yes be grateful the majority vaccinate.
Vaccines don’t cause immunity…
Most of the non-vaxers don’t think vaccines are linked to autism anymore. Pro-vax always hits the fraudulent autism study like it’s the crux of the argument; it’s not. Most of them think their kid will either never contract these diseases in the first place or will recover easily if they do. They’d rather risk hiding in the herd than risk a vaccine reaction in their own child. It’s incredibly selfish.
Wow. Definitely not funny. At all. :-/
http://www.kidnurse.org/parents-unvaccinated-child-exposed-family-measles/
Yes, babies still die from Pertussis, too young to be vaccinated, but exposed to others who are not OR more importantly, adults who do not get boosters. The biggest travesty, it is completely preventable. It is heartbreaking to see — respiratory failure, kidney failure, severe neurologic devastation.
I am a seventy year old grandmother. I lived through the polio years and had a friend who contracted it. She walks today with a very pronounced limp because one leg is shorter than the other. When the Salk vaccine became available my parents and every other parent in town had their children vaccinated. There was no chicken pox, measles and mumps vaccine and I and my siblings got all of them also whopping cough. The young parents of today have no idea what havoc and heartbreak they caused. Ask your grandparents what they think. We lived through it and some of our friends didn’t.
Thank you! Absolutely! My mother told me the story of how her mom (my grandmother) went to the base commander (they were an air force family) and demand he order the base doctor to get the polio vaccination and give it to her children. She had lived through what those diseases did. And my grandmother was NOT an assertive woman. She was very simple and not an activist type at all. For her to take a stand meant something.
Do you realize vaccines contain known carcenigens? You’re literally telling parents to vaccinate because your child has cancer with vaccines that contain chemicals that cause cancer.
I love you. Sincerely, another mommy who thinks her kids’ health is more important than my own ‘rights’ and perverse sense of vicimization-feminism.
I just gotta ask… “vicimization-feminism”? I’m a total feminist… cause ya know what woman wouldn’t agree that women should be treated as equal human beings. But I’m at a lost by what this phrase means and what feminism has to do with vaccinating one’s children or not.
PS… absolutely not trying to be snarky or anything!
So we have our entire school go peanut free because little Johnny might sit next to someone who has a p.b.j and Little Johnny might get a whiff of it and get sick? Or little Johnny might have taken a bite from someone’s granola bar. Yet we let unvaccinated kids into schools (and disneyland for that matter) who are around other children who are medically unable to be vaccinated due to cancer treatment and other chronic ailments? If one of those children gets a whiff of a communicable, preventable disease they don’t get sick – they die. Those children rely on the herd to keep them safe – not put them in even more danger. In middle school in our district, you can NOT come to school unlease you’ve had the Whooping Cough booster. This issue has nothing to do with religious beliefs – it is all about doing what is right.
I’m a cancer mom, I’ve had chicken pox, my sister in law had measles when she was a baby and is fine, my mothering law had measles when she was a baby and ended up losing 80% of her hearing. She never vaccinated her kids and even before my child’s diagnosis, we didn’t. And even right now, in the middle of chemotherapy, we are not vaccinating. I couldn’t care what anyone else says about my decision, it’s my choice, you don’t know anything about what I’m dealing with, our lives, nothing about that but the you go and judge all because of a rash. Yes temperatures suck, my daughter also had febrile seizures when she was a tot. Say whatever you want to, but you haven’t walked in my shoes, you don’t know my reasoning and I still won’t explain it. Do whatever you want to do, I’m not going to judge you. Right now, I’m going to worry about my family and our lives. If you do or don’t vaccinate, it still doesn’t change my decision even with an immune compromised child battling more than a rash……. It’s nice that everyone has an opinion, that’s what makes us individuals, but seriously let’s act like human beings and not judge…this is just ridiculous!
Have you ever talked to a mother who’s children were harmed or worse, killed by vaccines? Now before answering, know that I am one of those moms and you will NEVER convince me that vaccines are any good at all! Tell my autistic son how good they are. NO, don’t even try to tell me his MMR had nothing to do with his autism. Trust me, when you SEE it happen with your own eyes days after that vaccine, you KNOW that it is TRUE!!! Don’t tell me my son oncologist didn’t know what he was talking about when he told me my sons cancer could very well have been caused by… his VACCINES!!!! Oh and here is a real kicker… My two oldest, both had measles and are immune! Did I mention they got the measles from their VACCINE!!! PLEASE, before sitting and telling everyone how wonderful scientist and vaccines are, do your homework! What was science 20 years ago is laughable today! I have 6 kids fully vaccinated because I blindly followed science and doctors, each one reacted severely to EVERY vaccine they got and a few got the diseases they were being vaccinated for! When my son was diagnosed with cancer in 1988, I went on a quest to learn all I can about both sides of vaccines, and that quest continues to this day. Think I have not learned a lot? Think again! I could make all the pro-vaxers heads spin off their shoulders, if only they would listen! But I am just one mother who watched her children suffer dearly thanks to vaccines.
My apologies for being harsh, but try to put yourself in my shoes as a mom. There truly are more children who are harmed by vaccines, than the diseases, many get the disease from their vaccine. I have living proof of it!
There’s actually a lot of “RELIABLE” studies out there that show vaccines aren’t safe at all. You say do the research, yet, have you done your own? In order to provide a valid argument you must be able to show both sides. The CDC isn’t exactly as reliable as you may believe either. It doesn’t take a history expert to know our government doesn’t like to tell us everything. The reason I say this though, is not to bash you. I’m an expecting father, not just some conspiracy theorist hippie, doing extensive research on vaccines because its a huge decision for a parent to make. And its not to be made lightly. All I ask is that in addition you would address that maybe… vaccines AREN’T as good/safe as we’re told. Read up. You’d be surprised.
http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/package_inserts.htm
2014 Article in the Journal of Public Health and Epidemiology
http://www.academicjournals.org/journal/JPHE/article-abstract/C98151247042
“Thus, rising autistic disorder prevalence is directly related to vaccines manufactured utilizing human fetal cells.”
This is not the debunked Wakefield study, and is no “conspiracy theory blog”. It is a peer reviewed article showing the very real correlation between autism and CERTAIN vaccines. It does not prove cause and effect, but it certainly shows that there is a real possibility that there is a cause and effect that needs to be studied. WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT CAUSES AUTISM. And until we do, we should study the most reasonable environmental triggers that coincide with the increase in autism, such as some vaccines.
Thank you so much for this. My son had a heart transplant at 4 months (and, no it was not caused by vaccines). He is on tacrolimus & Cellcept (which I’m sure the anti vaccers don’t even know exist or what they are for) so he’s is immunosuppressed. We’ve been in hospital 4 times in the last 12 months for a week each time because he got sick. The kind of sick a normal kid wouldn’t lose a night sleep over.
When he gets sick he gets very sick.
Thank you for using your voice to look out for my kiddo.
If vaccines are not at all harmful than why can’t people with weakened immune systems get them?
I’m sorry, you lost all credibility (well, you never really had any after saying you would tackle a child and shove toxin into their body) when you said that the CDC has experts. LOL
But anyway, to say that the MMR is safe just proves how ignorant you are! That is the biggest joke of your whole blog.
I am more upset by the abundant overuse of antibiotics for every sneeze or sniffle, than I am about whether or not someone vaccinates their kid. Antibiotic resistance has caused more problems than people that don’t vaccinate.
That said, I vaccinated my three oldest kids with all the required vaccines. My youngest had all his up to and including the ones at 18 months. That child disappeared and we were left with a little boy that didn’t know us, couldn’t handle any noise, lost all his language, and who had tremendous motor problems. F**K ALL OF YOU WHO SAY YOUR CHILD’S RISK IS GREATER IF MY KID ISN’T VACCINATED. F**K YOU. Keep your kid out of public, go where you must and stay home if you are compromised. Disneyland is a disgusting cesspool of humanity on a good day, and so are WalMart, the ball pits in disgusting fast “food” places, and the desks in schools.
My kid spent his toddlerhood/childhood getting OT/PT/Speech/vision therapy. He’s a great kid whose overcome a lot. But he’s a kid who was forever changed, HARMED, by his vaccines. But you think it’s okay because your kid is safer. I’ll say it again…F**K YOU. How dare you say one life is worth more. I’m appalled that you can say your child’s life is worth more than mine. Parents get to choose, and it’s d**n good thing. And as far as the poster correlating the number of people awarded money from the vaccine injury fund with the number of injured, don’t you think that’s probably not an accurate correlation. We didn’t pursue it because we were too d**n busy trying to pick up the pieces of our son’s life.
I’m sorry I don’t usually curse.
I’m not some clod that can’t read, I’ve a graduate degree (not your business but I’m a geek and a science and math whiz) and have read plenty. I also know that vaccines are more about MONEY than health. I would give anything to have skipped that last set my kid got and have him be healthy. Rest easy, he’s now home schooled and we travel in our RV instead of using motels, planes and such. People are sicker and more frequently not because of being vaccinated or not, but because they are out en masse. And the poster that said the measles cases were in the unvaccinated community is wrong, it’s about 50/50.
from the CDC: Schuchat said there are 14 different countries linked to the current measles outbreak in the United States—more sources than any previous outbreak at this stage. The countries that this outbreak can be traced back to include Indonesia, India and Dubai.
Any remorse from the poster above that called another poster, xenophobic? Didn’t think so.
Simple mathematics supports my decision, however.
Prior to the measles vaccine, there were 3-4 million measles cases in the US per year. Huge, right? Especially compared to this “outbreak” from Disneyland. But out of those 3-4 million cases, 0.013% of those cases resulted in death. Around 450 people on average per year. The CDC claims that currently 1-2 out of 1,000 people who get the measles will ever die from the measles. That still puts the rate at about 0.1%. Safe to say, less than 1% and closer to 0% of people will die from the measles. Curiously, the rate at which people die from the measles has RISEN since the vaccine has been developed. But you also have to consider that in 1963 when the vaccine was developed, the US population was not quite 190,000,000 people. Therefore, prior to the vaccine, the percentage of the entire US population that died from the measles was less than 0.0003%. And today, with the vaccine having been administered in about 90% of the population, your chances are higher. So truly, how scary is this disease, for one, to warrant such a debate, yet kills less than 1% who contact the disease? And secondly, how much good is the vaccine actually doing if the chances of dying from the disease are higher today with a vaccine available than when there wasn’t? You just have to pick and choose your battles and decide what’s best for your children. Oh but what if your child is unvaccinated and contracts the measles? Well, as early as 1932, doctors began using cod-liver oil, which is high in vitamin A, to treat the measles. In 1990, the New England Journal of Medicine confirmed that Vitamin A supplements significantly reduce measles complications and death rates. Regardless, there’s really not much to worry about with practically a 0% death rate anyway….
\I was vaccinated as a child .I got measles, chicken pox and whooping cough in spite of that, and none were mild cases to say the least. \I watched my first baby at 3 months go into convulsions on the floor while I was changing him after his first vaccine, thankfully I had a doctor that still did home visits. He subsequently had a half dose everytime after that. My youngest screamed for 2 days and nights and ran a high fever after every vaccine.That was when little babies were only given 1 shot in their arm or leg each time instead of the 3 or 4 they are injected with everytime now!! Very traumatic for Mom and Babe. At this juncture I don’t trust anything that multi-billion dollar pharmaceutical companies supply doctors/nurses with to inject in my or my families bodies so they can live the high life and stay in business. Ever ask yourself why most naturopaths and mid-wives don’t recommend vaccine?? But lets all just be like sheep and do what BIG BROTHER tells us now like good little children!!
I know I am off the subject, but I would like opinions of parents who don’t vaccinate. When your daughter is a teen and starts having s*x, what about the vaccine for the HPV virus? Condoms don’t protect you from HPV. And when they go away to college, if they want to live in a dorm, some vaccines are mandatory. I know for a fact at Kent State they have to have the vaccine for meningitis.
Michelle, first, the HPV vaccine is probably the most deadly of all vaccines!!! My daughters NEVER had it and NEVER will! Second, NO college has EVER mandated any vaccine! No school has. They try to say they are mandatory, but in reality, You file an exemption, or file a waiver and agree to leave campus if there is an outbreak. No one HAS to get a vaccine to go to school, anywhere!
Say ‘kiddo’ one more f*****g time…
Ok Enough!!!! Last year my vaccinated middle school aged nephew died a horrific death because he was exposed by some selfish ignorant parent’s unvaccinated child who had the whooping cough. It was the worst 10 days of my life and as far as my sister and her family….. Words cannot describe their grief.
You have no idea what this and all the other disease that the medical field spent years trying to eradicate can do to a child. Yes the whooping cough also is a deadly and dangerous disease just like the measles. Yes one of those ” all knowing parents” sent their sick unvaccinated child to school …. exposing him and others to the whooping cough. Until you live through something like this you just can’t imagine just how absolutely horrible it was……My family will never recover from this tremendous loss.
I don’t know how you parents of unvaccinated kids can all sleep at night. You are an incredible selfish, narcissist , ignorant bunch of people only concerned with yourself and not for the world and people around you. That is what being part of a good moral society is about. If that’s not what you want for your family then move to another country. We will not miss you.
My future goal is to get all pediatrician to refuse to give your children care if they are not vaccinated. I already heard some are doing it because of the risk to all the other children in their practice. Then YOU will have to care for your sick unvaccinated children. Plus hopefully you will also have to homeschool your kids because eventually the school are not going to risk having your unvaccinated child around vaccinated and high risk children.
You have no idea what you are doing to so many helpless children……
From
a grieving aunt
I am truly sorry for your loss, but did you read my post? My baby had whooping cough too, you know why? Because I vaccinated her! Ask any GOOD doc and they will tell you that vaccine only last for THREE MONTHS, then it is no longer effective! Please explain to me, if vaccines are as good as you say, then why did they not protect your nephew? I had a great deal of grief in my family too, all thanks to vaccines! Mhy son nearly died too many times over the 6 years he fought for his life. Please, do your homework before you go treating people so cruelly!
Homeschooling is best for a child. Vaccinated or not. Why give birth just to send your kid off to the public school system? It’s best for the child to have open range schooling.
Thanks Erin, a bit insulted as a public kindergarten teacher and mother.
I love you. And I love this post. I find the idea that people are more terrified of a completely manageable and non-deadly mental disorder than a plethora of already preventable disease that can lead to massively horrific and even fatal ends. My family has been vaccinating for several generations and the last 3 have included over 62 children, all fully (and thankfully able to be) vaccinated. No mental disorders, no health issues related to “chemical injections” and no pause for concern. My husband and his family is the exact same.
Bunk science and people with a severe need for a “chill pill” are terrorizing those people who are already struggling with many reasons as to why they cannot take ALL necessary precautions to protect their gorgeous little ones.
Thank you for this fantastic post.
WHAT??? Manageable, non deadly mental illness???? You know absolutely NOTHING about autism!!! Tell my 27 tear old son how manageable it is, he would NEVER understand a word you said, he has the mind of a 3-5 year old and ALWAYS will! How manageable is that? SERIOUSLY? How would you feel if it were your baby that will always be a baby, never to grow up? Never to live on his own. Oh and when you die, he’ll get to go to a home wondering why mom and dad are no longer there, why they deserted him in a place they will probably ABUSE him the rest of his life! THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK, PLEASE!!! What is wrong with all you people, do you seriously think a life my son has to live is better? I had the measles, BAD, you know what, I lived, it was NOT that miserable and I thank God for true immunity and not being disabled, unable to talk, or even walk right because of a vaccine! Thanks so much pharma,
Well I do know about autism. My daughter is autistic. As you know it is a spectrum. Not all kids with autism are like your son. And I am very sorry your son is on the far end of the spectrum. But you are implying ALL kids with autism are the same. And that’s completely wrong. Autism is not the worst diagnosis to get. My daughter is a joy and while I wish she didn’t have the struggles that come with autism, I would not change a thing about her because she is also gifted with so many wonderful qualities.
I know we want to blame something for things that happen but I’m sorry vaccines did not cause ours kids autism. Vaccines do have risks. Autism however isn’t one of them.
Couldn’t agree more!
Now imagine the fun if you had to bury your child at the age of 4… And he wasnt the only one who died… 30-40% of your children would die much the same… and the few that survived would lose many friends, and family as well… What a lovely way to live!
How about you hold both parents responsible and not just moms.
Tell me, ,who do I hold responsible for ALL my kids reactions to vaccines?
Being that you’re quoting the CDC, what about this scientist formerly employed by the CDC and a whistle blower regarding the cover up.
http://www.ageofautism.com/2014/08/whistleblower-says-cdc-knew-in-2003-of-higher-autism-rate-among-african-american-boys-receiving-mmr-shot-earlier-than-36-mont.html
Still our choice though, so too bad. 🙂
This crap writing counts as New York Times best selling authorship? Jesus.. they’re letting anybody in jeans and a ripped t-shirt in the club today. The subject matter is timely but it reads like a pissed off 16 year old girl wrote it.
I think that was the intent. Maybe in an attempt to “relate” I surmise. Regardless, it sounds ridiculous.
DUMBEST article I’ve ever read. Just because your conclusions are different from someone else’s, doesn’t mean you are right. Your “science”is junk. YOUR choice can hurt someone else. You don’t seem to care about that.
Thank you! Unfortunately there are obviously a lot of idiots out there who have children and who do not care about them. Let them do their thing. But keep their kids out of schools, day care and public places.
Well, I guess the debate is over. https://leviquackenboss.wordpress.com/2015/01/27/dear-mom-who-thinks-i-need-to-vaccinate-my-kids-against-measles/
So, who’s the jerkwad?!?
http://www.homemademoms.net/2015/01/we-are-on-same-team.html
I wish we could legally require people who choose to not vaccinate, to live in certain areas… Make it a legal requirement to vax if you live in X state, county, or city…
Then when theres an outbreak, they can all cluster together and happily pray for god to cure them! While us smart folk, will just hear about mass deaths in an area far enough for us to not worry about it…
Soon enough, evolution will fix our problems… Survival of the fittest (or smartest)
Omg people you kid is not going to die from measles.. Unless you live in a third world country you child will NOT die.. The “worldwide” statistic everyone keeps quoting should actually state “x amount die in third world countries each year” because the last person to die from measles in America was 14 years ago.. And that was pneumonia not the measles that they died from.. The UK has had nearly 120 THOUSAND cases since 1992 WITH ZERO FATALITIES…
You are just as likely to die from the common cold in half those places because they don’t have clean running water
Thomas, first of all that pneumonia case you are talking about was attributed to Measles, pneumonia is a known side effect of Measles, also you are wrong about the fatalities in the UK, there have been a total of 26 fatalities in the UK since 1992, also what does clean running water got to do with catching Measles? Measles is an airborne disease, which means you only have to be in the same room as someone else to catch it, no amount of hand washing is going to make any difference! I don’t know where you get your information from, but it is wrong, check again.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/measles-deaths-by-age-group-from-1980-to-2013-ons-data/measles-deaths-by-age-group-from-1980-to-2013-ons-data
Here is some actual truth… Make your choices wisely. Vaccinations are a RIGHT NOT A RESPONSIBILTY. We all have the right to choose period- and to the author: the MOST dangerous child for a kid with cancer to be around IS a freshly vaccinated child- they are carrying the very illness that your ‘ill’ child would die from. If anyone shoud be fearful it is parents that choose not to vaccinate because vaccinated kids expose THEM to the illness after their inoculation.
I am sure you trust the FDA, CDC, IRS, Congress and the govt to have your best interest at heart too…sheeple.
http://blog.drbrownstein.com/genocide-against-our-children-continues-the-media-says-nothing-cdc-lies/
All of you pro- vaxxers who are soooo educated and care soooo much about your kids and did sooooo much research on vaccines before giving your child 48 or whatever. Can you spare 6 minutes for your children? Please watch this video. There has never been a study testing vaccinated vs unvaccinated children. All of you people snidely referring to Wakefield… have you heard of Thorsen? Why are his studies credible but Wakefield’s are not? Both men were disgraced. Both lost their license. If Wakefield’s science is bull due to his professional conduct then so are Thorson’s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNWTOmEi_6A&feature=youtu.be
Excellent…
Pro-Vaxxers….Forgive them for the facts are not relative for them. Their often people who are paranoid of taking on the idea of something could be wrong. Their only concerned about catching a disease when vaccinations haven’t been proven to prevent them. Why everyone is still getting the flu and measles…People still die from both regardless of the vaccination they had.
Your rights end when they affects another’s rights. I don’t need to trust any agency. All I need is to look at the last 30 years of how few cases of these diseases we had compared to the spike in them we have now due to people not vaccinating.
And out of curiosity… When you or your kid kids sick do you go to the doctor? Do you take medicine? Or do you just pray?
If an Ebola vaccine came out tomorrow would you get it? Cause 30 plus years ago my grandmother saw polio as the same threate as Ebola and fought to get my mother vaccinated. I wonder if in 30-40 years some wacko will be saying “don’t trust the government and get that dangerous Ebola vaccine!” And please spare me the ‘Ebola is different then polio or measles’ comeback. Cause no s**t… its called drawing on a current day comparison.
We were l vaccinated as kids. Why they he’ll shouldn’t we be doing it. I am glad i got my daughter vaccinated. I would rather worry about the little rash and fever than her dying bc someone else decided that their kid didn’t need it or me worry about the death of another child if I had decided against vaccinating
I am not a parent, but I am a teacher. A 40+ teacher who needs to get boosters because of you. I also have a Masters in History. Do you know what happened before vaccines? People died, lots of them. And after vaccines? Many illnesses eradicated. No I did not drop science on you, just verifiable History. Something your tin hat studies don’t have and never will. Fine, don’t vaccinate, but do us all a favor, don’t leave your f-ing house. EVER. It’s safer right? I mean nothing, not even an education or facts can get to them.
Oh and by the way, stop being A-holes to many parents who know better. Those comments you made about cancer, there is a very special place in Hell for you. You are putting so many innocent children and adults at risk. Your actions could kill many. Do you even care about that? And guess what else? Most of America thinks you are selfish idiots. YUP. We honestly hate you because you put our lives at risk because you refuse to see the truth. You refuse to take responsibility for your actions, and you treat those who do not follow you lemmings like s**t. I am part of a childfree group and let me tell you, don’t go spouting your BS over there. We have no kids around so we will go after your “studies” and “whistle-blowers” like no tomorrow.
Did I mention that you are horrible people for going after kids with cancer and their parents. I would LOVE to say more, but someone might be reading this with their kids.
Your garbage attempts at citing references to your garbage information is almost as dangerous as the garbage they’re pumping kids full of these days. This is nothing more than mindless rhetoric and brainwash propaganda.
http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/zero-u-s-measles-deaths-in-10-years-but-over-100-measles-vaccine-deaths-reported/
To ask the question that I’m sure has already been asked, if they’re so mind-blowingly effective, why do you need to make everybody else do it? Why do you need to make everybody else follow your personal parenting decision?
I’m not trying to convince you to NOT vaccinate your child. Vaccine-free families don’t do that. We just want to make the decision that is best for our family and live in peace. So, why is it that we are bullied INCESSANTLY by you? I’m not bullying you to change your mind! Vaccinate all you want; I’m concerned about your vaccinated kids being around my unvaccinated kids due to shedding, but I don’t write close-minded, hateful, libelous attacks on your choice.
Ah, the CDC? Good one. Good to know you’re trusting the same government who not only wants to feed you genetically modified fruit, but they don’t want you to know you’re eating genetically modified fruit. You write,
“So here’s what the CDC says in case you’re want to hear it from a REAL expert:
Is there a link between the MMR shot and autism?
No. Scientists in the United States and other countries have carefully studied the MMR shot. None has found a link between autism and the MMR shot.
Well, that’s a little vague isn’t it? NOOOOOO. No, it is not vague at all. The CDC blatantly says the MMR shot does NOT cause autism.”
First of all, this entire statement is nothing but a lie, even if you think living vaccine-free is dangerous and irresponsible. NO scientists have found a link between autism and the MMR shot?! Plenty of doctors and scientists not only believe in a link, but talk about it in great detail. See Jerry Kartzinel’s “Healing and Preventing Autism.” Did you miss the CDC cover-up story? William Thompson, a CDC scientist, exposed their lies last year. Lies that were printed in Pediatrics, a reputable medical journal, a journal that people like you would say to implicitly trust because, as you say, “scientists are smarter than you.”
“The CDC knew about the relationship between the age of first MMR vaccine and autism incidence in African-American boys as early as 2003, but chose to cover it up.” -Dr. Brian Hooker, CDC researcher
I don’t think scientists are smarter than I am when it comes to my kids. Scientists weren’t there when my son regressed and lost all speech after receiving the MMR vaccine at 18 months. Scientists weren’t there when he stopped saying “Mama,” stopped smiling, stopped pointing to a rubber duck and saying “duck.” Scientists weren’t there when he was diagnosed with Autism Spectrum Disorder shortly after turning 2 years old. Scientists aren’t there today, taking him to therapies every day, teaching him every day, playing with him every day.
I am.
I AM that Mom who can’t give my child MMR due to illness. Thanks for being a voice of reason & standing up for those of us who concentrate energy on keeping our child healthy while others like you fight the other fight. We need you!!!!
Tackle a kid! Is that the kind of person you are?! Well I tell you if someone tackled my kid while walking down the street don’t you think ANY mom would f**k the s**t out of you! I would! Why would you harm someone. Mm mm the mind of the vaccinated ones, typical to try to hurt others.
It would help if we voters elected “representatives” who would stand for truth and “the people” rather than for representing big businesses in a fascist form. I believe most parents seek to do the best possible for their children. I personally don’t know if the mercury preservative in immunizations does damage or not. With one party NOT believing in science, when it is convenient, we, the people, can’t get straight talk enough. Science can figure out the truth…whatever it might be. We get what you vote for…good or bad..truth or lies!
What drives me crazy is parents in North and South Dakota being allowed to deny any medical health care to their children even something as simple as an antibiotics shot(s) to prevent a child or children from certain death. A recent show on television was heartbreaking. One teenage boy said he held his newborn brother until he stopped breathing and turned blue because his parents would not allow even a very simple suction MEDICAL procedure to allow the newborn to breathe.
The parents said all is in God’s hands! Didn’t God give us the brains to learn and control our lives? And an Earth to use and protect?
When Third World customs are displayed on television or in movies viewers can’t believe anyone could behave in such a way. When the same is done in America those Third World people, especially in states with small populations, tend to cause a takeover of the U. S. Senate. This is a big issue which causes us to be in many dilemmas as truth is sidelined.
I totally agree with you. I’d love to share your message with everyone I know. However, I have to say, I feel your over-use of profanity diminishes your message, and many of my friends who need to hear this message, would dismiss it because they find your language offensive. I know… you probably don’t give a s**t.
Why do people think that kids with cancer are the ONLY kids who can’t have vaccines?!! Utter ignorance! MY two youngest kids can’t have vaccines, because my two oldest kids were seriously injured (one was nearly left paraplegic – the other suffered encephalitis and permanent brain changes). They also fall into the category of those with multiple issues which, until recently were (and in some places, are still) considered contra indicators (allergies, autoimmune disorder, familial history of epilepsy, and obviously, a familial history of serious and/or life-threatening reactions to vaccines). My children have just as much right and reason to avoid vaccines as a cancer patient – yet because it isn’t cancer, people act like we’re out to kill THEIR kids by trying to preserve our own. It’s not always a black and white issue – there are a lot of us out here stuck in gray areas that neither the public NOR the medical community care about!
How dare you? My sister lost her only daughter shortly after a flu vaccine. A totally healthy girl gone forever. I hope you don’t lose your kids to cancer or measles. OH WAIT I FORGOT! THEY HAVE NEITHER! You are arguing a theoretical point.
Well, my story is not theory. It’s fact. Too bad my niece had to pay the price for the lies the medical community tells you.
I’m sorry for your sister’s and your loss. I’m sorry that some people think that your family’s loss is acceptable collateral damage to protect the “herd”.
‘Mostly educated’ people who are crapping on about ‘do your research’ but using Merck as a ‘source’, are just that – Partially educated (on the subject I mean, – not being offensive).
Pseudo research cites back in layers like an onion so that partially educated ‘smart-ish’ people are fooled by the layers of research. Well, as an ex ‘Anti Vaxxer’ who one week became obsessed with the research and was trying to make my arguments stronger – I found the loopholes after seeing just how far the rabbit hole goes. Anti Vaxxer ‘research’ (and I use the term loosely cause they sure do, leads back to sources such as ‘a yet to be published study from the university of’- (it has been called Michigan/Minnesota and there was one other but it was the same purported facts).
What that translates to is ‘not actually research’. A yet to be published article is one that is not only incomplete – it is by that definition non existent research. If I write down this second a statement ‘The Lochness Monster works in my local WalMart’ and plan to research it , THAT is ‘a yet to be published article from the university of whereverthehell I like to one day maybe start my research’. The problem with research today is that also there are pseudo sites looking like Universities that are in fact named to look like them. There are ‘senior doctors from the CDC’ who are never named hence again who effectively are also smoke and mirrors. So yeah, I did my research and changed sides because having studied actual research methodology, and what actually makes research (such as publication in a Credible University that is not sponsored by Mercola Merck or huffington Post’ ) I realised I had been expertly fooled.
There is too much stuff that is epic and convincing and well written – and fiction.
Sadly much of it has so many layers it looks like a strong muscled argument that in fact a ‘metaphorical 50 pound weakling in many layers of cellophane wearing a sweater’.
Today doing the research sadly is not enough unless you actually research the research and pull apart the fraudulent ones. THAT is the true failing of the anti Vaxxer argument and its greatest strength. Because a greater percent are ignorant to any of it , but the mediocre percent who do their research are ignorant to the fact that they are professionally Duped by some very smart people. And someone obsessive enough and educated in actual research methodology like myself is a rare freak. But pull at the strings and look for catchwords like that and research the ‘university’ that is cited – in case it is also ‘Smoke and Mirrors’.
If you do not – then fine keep clapping at the magic show that is the Anti vaxxer argument and smile and be amazed.
Enjoy the show 🙂
PS. – Toni,
I am sorry for your loss – the human heart and mind are not designed to cope with seeing our own offspring pass before us.
And yes kids die after being vaccinated, or after going to school, after waking up, after crossing a street, after eating a carrot. I get to see kids die all the time in my job , and some will die after being vaccinated but not definitely because of it (The one I remember had Hep B shots but actually died from a meningococcal meningitis which even Merck would find difficult to link up – except by fabricating some research…). And that child had a runny nore and cough for almost a week before being immunised. Rule of thumb if your child is sick do not get them vaccinated until they feel well. Its sad no one told you that before your loss .
And as for the carrot – you cannot blame parents for these things they just do not realise risks of normal stuff. As someone who sees kids die in my work type – its the one percent of the 0.1 percent that are so horrifically unlucky .I would doubt the doctors told you that your child died as a result of being vaccinated – but in your anger and heartbreak its easier to blame something other than hideous bad luck and see that as a conspiracy . Nothing will EVER assuage your loss and I am deeply sorry if this makes you more sad. 🙁
Point of fact the conspiracy is actually in the side of the wall with the anti Vaxxers, What do they gain – credibility and massive royalties in book sales , alternative remedies sales, alternative immunisation remedy sales , sales of substances (not drugs apparantly because rather than having a proven effect they ‘MAY’ assist in the X of the condition Y).
OK Chris, so you say 26 people since 92, is that really enough to consider it a lethal disease? (I bet more people died from the common cold than measles in that time frame) You do know that according to vaers 52 people died FROM THE VACCINE in only TWO years (2012 they 2014.. Not to mention the trends of thousand “complications” from vaccines.. I haven’t looked it up this year but that’s still 26 A YEAR compared to the 26 in 23 years, so either way it’s kind of irrelevant)
And by clean running water I mean healthier conditions over all.. Measles was considered a disease of malnutrition at one point
(And fact remains, the only places who have deaths from measles today are in undeveloped countries, for what ever reason could be up for debate but it’s the only place with any significant death rates)
And pneumonia is the side effect of a lot of things so saying just because he happened to have measles at the time he died from measles .. If I have a car accident while having a cold.. You going to say it was the cold that killed me or the car accident? (I am aware that the pneumonia was most likely causde by the measles but the death was still from pneumonia)
Mind you I personally have been fully vaccinated and have had ALL OF THE CHILDHOOD DISEASES.. (Including meningitis)
So I know what it is to have measles, it’s 3 to 5 days of discomfort and diarrhea.. (And then you’re immune for life) vaccines are proving less and less likely to keep you “immune” for any length of time so you gotta keep getting boosters to maintain this “protection” essentially playing Russian roulette with every shoot you get.. (which I think is misleading cause no one, not one person has ever become “immune” by vaccinating.. Resistant at best but not immune)
“History tells us that measles is a disease of undernourishment, particularly deficiencies in vitamins A and C. As scientists isolated these nutrients in the early 1900s, and people became more aware of the effect of nutrition on infectious disease, measles death rates dropped significantly, down more than 98% in the US by the time the measles vaccine was licensed in 1963. ”
http://www.measlesrubellainitiative.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Vitamin-A-and-Measles.pdf
(Vitamin a is still used today to help treat measles btw)
This article touches a little more on that drop in measles before the vaccines
http://vaxtruth.org/2012/01/measles-perspective/
Vaccinated are able to both catch and pass on the disease (the measles Mary story) and they don’t last nearly as long as they claim (the amount of vaccinated in every outbreak suggests the vaccines are waning, and the fda and CDC both admit they are not “lasting as long as we had hoped”)
So the argument they use ” the good is worth the risk ” is getting thinner and thinner in my opinion cause the less effective they are the more it takes away from the “good” and the more boosters you have to get the higher the risk factor becomes so their biggest “argument” just isn’t enough to convince me the risk is worth the reward…
Just look at pertussis, it’s been steady increasing by about 1000 to 1500 a year for 33 CONSECUTIVE years with a vaccination rate over 93% (most as high as 96%) for those same 33 years.. That both debunks herd immunity and also suggests the vaccines don’t work as they claim… (I’ve posted links to this many times in this thread proving this.. It’s available on WHO’s website if you can’t find it.. Just compare vaccination rate to the morbidity rates)
Measles was the highest (three times higher than it was last year even) during those same 33 years (1980 to 2013) when the vaccination rate was above 95% (80 thru 85) and then the 5 years prior to 2000 when measles was deemed “eradicated” we where at the lowest vaccination rates (83 to 87%) I.e the vaccines seem to actually increase the morbidity rate..
Then we have the supposed “anti vaxxer” movement that stated in 98.. The vaccination rate prior to this year was LOWER than it was AFTER they say it started.. Then from 2000 to date the rate is relatively UNCHANGED (you would assume that if there was any effect from this “movement” the numbers would have dropped.. But they have not)
Again, I posted links to this data on who’s website in previous posts..
Whether you choose to vaccinate, not to vaccinate, or your child can not receive them…please remember that name calling and negativity never made a child any happier or healthier. We are all just trying to keep our youngsters safe.
Dear Concerned Mom,
You quoted Dr Brian Hooker CDC researcher . You should really read some of the critiques of his stuff he is an absolute joke in many educated/research circles.
He seems more the prickle than any real thorn in the side of the CDC . Its is only people who surface read and do not dig who give him even a modicum of credibility. His arguments show that he really has no idea about even the basic research terminology. I think he is a chemical engineering PhD hence he may know something about chemicals though if you dig about his PhD and what its about, and which university its from … PNNL is arguably more like the ‘Men Who Stare at Goats’ of the university world . They do some amazing stuff amd radical ideas, but its significance to immunization as such is exceedingly tenuous. Its so Arcane in some ways that the only way to make any money out of it for a person from there would be to associate yourself to something like this with your Random PhD and milk people who want some letters behind a name who is talking about stuff he seems not too versed in – because he is not. Enough about Brian Hooker for now 🙂 You should try talking to the guy he is seriously all ‘Helter Skelter’ .
The vaccines have actually caused more deaths than the diseases in the last 10 years. Sounds like you need to do some research. While you’re at it, check out the link between vaccines and childhood leukemia. While you’re on here trying to ream out parents for not protecting your snowflake, you very well may have been the cause of her cancer.
We all need to just be thankful for what we have. Name calling and blaming one side or the other never cured cancer or ended Autism. Jennifer I wish your family nothing but health and happiness, but please be considerate of others before you blaming a parent for causing their child to have cancer.
The reason there have been so few deaths in the last 10 years is because of vaccination! There is absolutely no link between vaccines and childhood leukaemia.
Seems to me the upcoming lawsuit against Merck has been forgotten. No one has even said yet if this is wild measles or vaccine measles. Did you know a child who get a MMR shot still can have Measles in their urine, mouth and blood for up to 21 days possibly longer. I will hold out and see where this came from unvaccinated or vaccinated. The scary thing is it is a simple test yet it either was not done or no one is saying either way.
http://sharylattkisson.com/cdc-possibility-that-vaccines-rarely-trigger-autism/
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Great job. I applaud you. Too many kids that can’t get vaccinated are at risk. I have all my kids vaccinated but my baby is still getting them. I am very scared this is getting out of control for nothing because people don’t care enough about others and are very selfish. Vaccinate your kids stop spreading diseases that can be prevented.
There are a lot of questionable ingredients in vaccines that I think people are weary about. Some Ingredients are deemed safe when really we don’t know the long term effects yet. Just look up the ingredient list of the mmr vaccine. I don’t know if it causes autism or not, but I think people have the right to be questionable about it. There have been things in the past that have been deemed safe by the government and later down the road proven to be harmful.
What are you feeding your child that she developed cancers? In 1931, Dr. Otto Warburg won the Nobel Prize for finding the cure to cancer conditions. It’s Oxygenation (exercise) and Alkalization of the cells (eating veggies, fruits, nuts and berries where not allergic and alkalizing natural water). Look it up – get to the cause of your kid’s problems instead of focusing on stuff you can’t control – like whether I vaccinate or not.
I love children no I love humanity and think in this world we need to protect ourselves and others as much as we can. And yes we will take chances to do so. To say I won’t vaccinate because there may be a side effect is the same as saying ” no Johnny you can’t go in a car there might be an accident” or “No Max don’t join the military you might die or get maimed and be in a wheel chair the rest of your life from protecting us”. God gave us logic and logic is vaccinate. Yes I have raised three children and some, grandchildren and great grandchildren and YES YES YES I would vaccinate again.
People are complaining that the CDC says that the Mumps vaccine is LESS than 95% effective??? If you were in Las Vegas and were told that a slot machine would win 94% of the time, you would probably gamble your entire 401K. This is like the Climate Change Deniers saying that because 3% of scientists discount Anthropogenic Global Warming then Climate Change is not happening.
Face it folks. Vaccines work. If only 94% of the time, that is actually kinda miraculous when you think about it. Can you think of ANYTHING that works 94% of the time?????
Very simple(and I am middle of the road, my wife is extremely anti-vaccine)
$64 question…..
If the scientists(that are way smarter than the poster) say vaccines have no connection with autism, then what is causing the pandemic of autism? Once the “smart” scientist figure that out, then I will vaccinate my children. How can the scientist say its NOT vaccines, but don’t know what is causing the pandemic?
It doesn’t get much simpler than that……
The answer to your question is very simple. There is NOT a sudden pandemic of autism. The reason there seem to be more cases now is because we are starting to understand autism and improving testing to detect it. Your question is as naive (no offense) as someone back 40 years or so ago asking why there is suddenly more people with mental illness instead of good ole fashion demon possession.
Autism is not a mental illness it is not something you ‘catch’ it has to do with how the brain takes in and processes information. So it has been grossly misdiagnosed and misunderstood for… well forever really until now. And even now we are still only scratching the surface.
For example right now it is believed that autism is more prevalent in boys then in girls. But there are studies now suggesting that this may not be the case that instead the case may be that it manifests differently in girls and so girls are instead diagnosis as being ADHD, anxiety, OCD, or even just “overly emotional drama queens.”
So now you’re asking “how do you know!?” I know because I asked the neuropsycologist who diagnosed my daughter as autistic.
Vaccinations DO have risks. That’s why the doctors give out those sheets telling you about them when your kid gets vaccinations. But autism is NOT one of the risks. And the risks vaccinations genuinely have are rare. Of all the medications and treatments for illnesses we have they are among the safer ones. More people have adverse reactions to antibiotics, pain medications, or over the counter cold medicines then they do vaccinations.
I have Psoriatic Arthritis… I am immuno-compromised and while I think as a parent you have the right to choose either way, I do not believe your child who is NOT vaccinated has the right to attend public school. IF your child can not be vaccinated because of an illness/cancer, then I think the public schools need to provide a tutor for home schooling. IF you made a choice to not vaccinate your child, then you should be responsible for paying for a homeschooling education out of your own pocket. It is simple really… IF you make a decision to not vaccinate and put the public at risk, you should NOT legally be allowed to participate in that public and you should be held accountable if your choice causes harm to another. IF I made a choice to get behind the wheel of a car while on my meds and hit your child while they were crossing the street, I would be held responsible and charged with a crime… The same should be true of those who willfully refuse to vaccinate. That being said…I did not vaccinate my child when the chicken pox vaccine first came out, I waited one year AND it was not considered a mandatory vaccine at that time. My daughter has just turned 18 and I did not have her get the gardasil vaccine due to the many issues when that vaccine FIRST came out. Some things are a matter of common sense… But those vaccines that are mandatory for life altering childhood illnesses… you should be held accountable for your choices. My aunt had polio and has suffered with pain and a deformed leg for her entire life… She would have loved to have been vaccinated…
Way to go. When I heard about the outbreak all I thought is I bet the idiots that didn’t get their child vacancies when they should have are rethinking it now. Do they really think that the doctor would give it to the infants, that they’re trying to keep well, the vaccine if it was going to hurt them? Stop and read the info the doctor gives you BEFORE the vaccine and you’ll know the truth and how often a side effect happens. To me those parents should be in jail. They are killing the sweet kids that can’t help themselves.
1. If a fox does research “proving” that foxes don’t eat chickens, would you believe it? In essence, “research” done by companies ALWAYS has an objective to prove or disprove some already manufactured “conclusion” (Follow the money to see why the results are the way they are).
2. The US said measles was eradicated in 2000. http://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/faqs.html
That means for 12 consecutive months or more, the disease did not happen (come from) the USA. So our measles cases are imported. Look to a large influx of children into the US recently to figure the source of our problems.
3. This is a bigger issue than a bunch of people who don’t want to vaccinate. There have been anti-vaccine moms around since the hippie days — and no one was all up their butts then! Everyone just figured that simple Darwinism would weed them out when they got the disease!
4. I am very much PRO vaccination. I just don’t think the bundling of multiple diseases and a schedule of jamming in all of the needles before 2 years of age is absolutely correct. It’s just that the companies that MAKE the vaccines say you should……
JERUSHA,
For you to say that the numbers are not increasing and that society is just diagnosing more cases – I completely do not agree with. I guaranty, that almost everyone knows someone, or someones child that has a form of autism. I don’t claim to have an answer, I just know it is getting WORSE in NJ. Growing up 40+ years ago, very few if anyone we knew had “autism” or any other type of neurological disorder(whatever they called it back then). Again, I am NOT here to fight with anyone, just that, the scientist have no idea what is causing this(maybe its microwaves, food additives, etc…IDK….), but i completely disagree that the numbers of children with disorders are not growing(just in my own personal experience).
thanks…
I’m not here to fight with anyone either. 🙂 So please don’t read my reply with any spite in it. 🙂
So with that said I ask… how do you know you anyone (or many) with autism? I’m 39 and the first time I ever heard the word ‘autistic’ was in the movie Rainman and that was what I thought a person with it was like… all of them! When I was a kid, other kids who acted different or ‘bad’ or unfocused or in any way that was disruptive to the ‘norm’ were labeled other things. They were yelled at, grounded, given detention, spanked.. called bad kids, or uncontrollable, or ‘retarded’.
There is no way you or I could have known who was autistic because the definition or rather the classifications of what is autistic have changed. Doctors 30 years ago… heck 10 years ago didn’t fully understand it. They didn’t know how wide the spectrum really was. And they still don’t! Like I said in my other post right now an autistic girl is considered very rare. But there is speculation and studies going on NOW that are seeing if this is really true or if it is that autism is different in girls.
So in 20 years someone on a message board will be saying “Why is there suddenly a pandemic of girls with autism!?!”
My husband was a problem child as they called him. Now as we go through this with our girls he is wondering if in fact he wasn’t a problem child but rather ADHD. And honestly between you and I… I think he is either ADHD or autistic. But that’s another post. 🙂
My point is that our understanding of Autism is new in the grand scheme. So it is absolutely impossible for you or anyone to say that kids we grew up with weren’t autistic. Also keep in mind… autism is not just like Rainman. 🙂 “SPECTRUM”… keep that in mind. Two kids with it will act very differently.
Lastly.. I DO however agree with you about all the crap we take into our bodies from food, air, water, sun, and all the chemicals good and bad affect us and our children. They have found new born babies have elements of pollutants in them before they are even born! I completely agree that these things have got to be impacting us as a species. BUT… I do not believe for a moment that is a reason to not vaccinate a child or yourself. I am very picky what I put into myself. I’m a personal trainer. I’m a health nut. But I am far more worried about what they put in food to make it orange and why the horizon is purple when the air is stagnant then I am about a vaccine that has been proven to be as safe as could be hoped and proven to be as effective as would could hope. People say “oh but there hasn’t been a case of measles or polio in 30 years!” To that I say… BECAUSE OF VACCINATIONS!!! We have been conducting a nation wide study on the effectiveness of them for 30+ years and the proof is in the pudding. The fact that our knowledge of autism has increased also in that time is completely NOT related.
Thank you for not being rude in your response to me and I hope you see mine as not being rude either. I have done so much reading and talking to doctors since my daughter was diagnosed that this has been a passionate topic for me. I would LOVE to be able to blame something for this. I was looking for something to blame. But unless I want to jump on the conspiracy band wagon I’m not finding anything to blame. And ya know what… I’m ok with that now. My kid is amazing and I wouldn’t have her any other way. 🙂
Causes of Autism
(from the National Autism Association)
Based on parent reports – including parents representing the National Autism Association – sharp regression occurred in their children directly following immunizations. While many parents can provide detailed accounts of regression in their children following vaccination, other parents have reported autism in their unvaccinated children. More sparsely, parents report swift regression following an illness, use of antibiotics, and random chemical exposure – such as carpet cleaning. Though published mainstream science fails to acknowledge a causal link to any of these specific exposures, it’s important that parental accounts be carefully considered.
Most researchers do agree that environmental factors play a role, though there is no one cause of autism identified by mainstream science. In identical twins who share the exact same genetic code, if one has autism, the other twin also has autism in nearly 9 out of 10 cases. There are cases where one twin has autism and his/her identical twin with matching genetic codes do not. It’s important that environmental exposures are considered among all cases, especially cases of regressive autism.
A recent review of the world’s medical literature suggests that underlying biochemical abnormalities are likely involved in environmental susceptibilities and the development of autism including mitochondrial dysfunction, immune dysregulation, inflammation, oxidative stress, methylation problems, transsulfuration issues and toxicity.
AUTISM AND GENETICS
According to officials at the National Institutes of Health, while there is most likely a genetic predisposition, there must also be an environmental component to autism. The rapid rise in the rate of autism over the last 20 years cannot be attributed solely to genetics.
CONTRIBUTING ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS
The theory that parental practices are responsible for autism has long been disproven. While mainstream science discounts vaccinations as a cause, members of the National Autism Association feel vaccinations have triggered autism in a subset of children, and that an overly aggressive vaccination schedule coupled with toxic adjuvants in vaccines could affect individuals who have a family history of autoimmune disorders specifically. As with any medication, adverse events do happen, and vaccinations are no exception. Research to investigate, and reduce, adverse events in immunized individuals is currently nonexistent.
The National Autism Association believes:
Vaccinations can trigger or exacerbate autism in some, if not many, children, especially those who are genetically predisposed to immune, autoimmune or inflammatory conditions.
Other environmental exposures may trigger, or exacerbate, autism in certain children, especially those who are genetically predisposed to immune, autoimmune or inflammatory conditions.
Mainstream research has identified other contributing factors, including:
Pesticide Exposure: Scientists think that chemicals in pesticides may adversely affect those who are genetically predisposed to autism, leading them to develop the full-blown disorder
Parental Age: A study found that women who are 40 years old have a 50 percent greater risk of having a child with autism than women who are between 20 and 29 years old.
Pharmaceuticals: Babies that have been exposed to certain pharmaceuticals in the womb, including SSRI’s, valproic acid and thalidomide, have been found to have a higher risk of autism.
Freeway Proximity: A study found that children born to mothers who live within a 1000 feet of freeways have twice the risk of autism
Limited Prenatal Vitamin Intake: Women who reported not taking prenatal vitamins immediately before and during a pregnancy were twice as likely to have a child with autism, one study found.
It’s important to do your own research into the various causes that are being investigated. We believe that families should have access to all information including environmental insults, vaccines, and genetics. We also believe that because the onset of autism is triggered by an environmental factor, or combination of factors, autism is preventable and treatable.
Environmental research holds the key to finding the cause and developing effective treatments for those affected.
If you are a parent seeking detailed information on vaccine safety, we recommend visiting the National Vaccine Information Center website.
http://globenewswire.com/news-release/2015/02/02/702199/10118172/en/Studies-Show-that-Vaccinated-Individuals-Spread-Disease.html
So, if vaccines are also proven to spread the illness during the ‘shedding’ period, than being vaccinated is just as dangerous for those who are immune compromised, as those who are unvaccinated. Just a thought.
I haven’t done a lot of research on vaccines, but most of the research that I have found says that giving your child vaccines before they are a year old can be very harmful to them. I have seen a lot of other comments on here where people say they would rather have their child vaccinated and them have autism and healthy than to not give them vaccines and have them sick all the time. My husband has had health problems his whole life and you know the crazy thing? He is the only child in his family to have been vaccinated and all of his 6 other siblings are very healthy. Waaay healthier than he is actually. In fact, my husband has been sick a dozen times this past year. I also saw another post where one person was cussing out anyone who would be so stupid as to not vaccinate their child because her child has cancer and that child could give something to her child and kill her child. First, the chances of someone actually getting measles even though they don’t have the vaccine aren’t high. Second, if someone does have the measles isn’t likely going to be out and about the town spreading his or her sickness. I did not post this to be mean, but I am trying to defend myself against those who think I am not effectively protecting my child from diseases by not giving them vaccines. My mother vaccinated me and all of my siblings, but most vaccine reports you see these days are not the best. In my opinion, todays vaccines are riding on yesteryears reputation. Vaccines have a lot of things in them now that I might not want to give to my child.
Well that’s one book I’ll be sure not to buy. I thought you were kind of a j**k. Glad to know there are idiots out there that actually still believe that everything the government claims is safe, really is. I certainly don’t. Many of the things our F D A allow in our food aren’t even allowed in other countries. There are also a lot of things hidden. Things that are not required to be listed that you don’t even know about, that you are getting in your food and drugs every day. For instance some foods have what’s in antifreeze, which is poisonous. They don’t bother everyone, but they do some people, so I believe we have the right to know what’s in them. Now for a true story. My children got their immunizations when they were babies. I thought it was important. My daughter became extremely ill afterwards, with a high fever and nearly died. She spent several days in the hospital in an oxygen tent. I was told, oh it couldn’t be from that so she got her second one. Back to the hospital with an extremely high fever and near death again. There had to be something in there that made her sick. Therefore, she didn’t get the rest of them. Never got that sick again either. But she does still have to live with what it did to her brain. We will never know what was in it that did this to her. And I’m not saying it will do it to everyone. But to make up a story like that to make a point is sick. This story is true. I’m the mother of a real daughter, who is living with the real consequences from the
problems of getting her immunizations. So it isn’t something funny. Therefore there are those of us out here who are afraid to get immunizations because of these experiences. So please don’t belittle those of us who have our personal reasons to believe the way that we do. You never know what it could be. My only option was to claim religious exemption. I did not want her to die, so I did not feel like I had a choice. It also left me living in fear that she could get one of those diseases. So you see it is no laughing matter. I lived in fear one way or the other. It was and is still a tough way to live. Especially as a single mom who had to make this decision and live with it alone, and pay all those hospital and medical expenses it caused. To this day my daughter is unable to get all the medical help she needs. So next time you feel like putting someone down for not getting their immunizations, please think of her story and maybe you’ll be a little bit more sensitive. And please check out what’s really in/on your food, you might be surprised. I am not a religious fanatic, or a vegetarian and I don’t eat only organic, it’s too expensive. But I do like to know what’s in my food, or on it, so I do check it out. That way I can make an informed decision. My immunizations are up to date and I get my flu shot, but I also always get the ones without preservatives. So I am NOT against them at all. But unlike you, I believe I am smart enough and should be able to chose what I do or do not want to put in my body. I don’t believe that others have the right to tell me what is safe and what isn’t just because they are scientists. Check out all the lawsuits on medications that turned out to do more harm than good, that the scientists approved. I did not write this to cause an argument. I just wanted another side of the story to be heard. Thank you
This anti-vac s**t is the same problem we have with denying basic climate change due to greenhouse gas change. One must first ‘believe’ something to the argue against basic laws of physics. Denying vaccines don’t help use eradicate horrible diseases is the same thing as denying particle physics works (i.e., CO2 traps electrons – energy). Or that gravity (same level of theory as greenhouse gases) isn’t responsible for us being on this Earth (not floating away) or even having the atmosphere to make us have a greenhouse problem now. The denial of science and experts will doom this country. We got to our post WW2 point by heavy investment in science (with some ills, that are well documented). But you like a toilet, you like electricity? Both are more dangerous than vaccines.
Greetings from Finland! I have decided that my child will never be vaccinated against the flu ever again – for everything else, definitely. We had a fiasco here in Finland a few years ago when the H1N1 strain was predicted to be life threatening. I gambled and got my child the shot. Turns out, several dozen children acquired narcolepsy from the hastily brewed vaccine. I gambled and won and my husband told me he would have never forgiven me if something had gone wrong. It has been studied extensively and proven: http://yle.fi/uutiset/h1n1_vaccine_link_with_narcolepsy_confirmed/5415917
So, no flu shot, but definitely MMR and the boosters that come with it. I never had measles as a child and believe me, I am terrified of getting them as an adult.
Do you by chance believe in God lady???
Believing in God has zip to do with this conversation. If you are one of those people who thinks you don’t need doctors at all and you just need to pray away illnesses then wow… I hope you don’t have kids. If you believe in God then you believe God gave you a brain and presented you with ways to stay healthy. You also would believe that God would help those who help themselves and shake his head (or even roll his eyes) at those just prayin away over their sick child while a doctor’s office is just around the corner. There’s a story in the bible that illustrates this lunacy.
That question has nothing to do with the subject at hand.
Your child whom is immunocompromised can die from a cold or the flu as well. So a child who is as sick as yours has to basically kept in a bubble. My child who had a “reaction” to his vaccines went from a normal happy healthy child to a nonverbal, unable to communicate lump of the child he was. So unfortunately I cannot vaccinate my child fully and i refuse to take the “chance” on vaccinating my other children in fear that they will become diabled. See your child can go into remission from his ailme t and be treated with drugs. Doctors have knowledge of your childs disease. My child will never be able to be in remisson. There is no medicine to fight off his ailment.. So before you come down on people who dont vaccinate realize it is NOT always a choice. But you have a choice to bring your child whom has a compromised immune system out into the public and risk them getting sick. I dont care what government run study says vaccines dont cause autism. Well it did with my child. I witnessed it first hand.The government even has( VICP) a vaccine compensation fund for children it disables
After reading this blog, I feel obliged to provide readers with some evidence of the health risks associated with vaccinations, so that there is a better understanding of why some parents choose not to vaccinate their children. With adequate research, parents can make an educated decision for their families, rather than based on guilt from other parents. Most of this material is taken from ‘Natural Baby-Healthy Child’ by Dr. Murray Clarke, ND, D. Hom, L. Ac. c.2010, and all the facts are referenced in its appendix for further research.
It should be understood that there are inherent risks in vaccinations simply due to the manufacturing process. Firstly, there is contamination from the genetic material on which the virus/bacteria was grown. One example is the monkey virus SV40, introduced into the first polio vaccine, which has been implicated in causing increased cancer and autoimmune diseases in those people who received that vaccine. More recently, several vaccines have been recalled due to bacterial contamination, sometimes years after their distribution to the poplulation. Merck Co., in 2007, recalled 1.2 million doses of Hib B vaccine, and in 2010 GlaxoSmithKline rotavirus vaccine was found to be contaminated with a pig virus. Secondly, ‘Hot Batches’ of vaccines have been found to contain a stronger strain or higher level of contamination (such as DPT vaccines that were found to be associated with convulsions, seizures, inflammation of brain, and cognitive disabilities). Parents simply don’t know if their child is receiving a ‘hot batch’ of a vaccine that carries a higher health risk. Thirdly, there is a risk associated with the additives in the vaccines. The most well-known additive, thimerosal, is a mercury derivative. The US FDA ordered manufacturers to stop using it as a preservative in 2000, yet these vaccines are still being administered. Other additives include ammonium sulphate, latex rubber, MSG, aluminum, formaldehyde, polysorbate 80, human and animal cells, nanobacteria, and the list goes on…
Researchers may have studied the effect of one additive on human health, but haven’t accounted for the risk of all of these additives and contamination risks TOGETHER.
Now add-on the fact that these vaccines are administered by injection so that the virus/bacteria, toxic additives and contamination bypasses all our typical routes of dealing with toxins. If we were naturally exposed to these viruses, we would have the barriers of our mucus membranes and skin, intestinal membrane, blood-brain barrier, and immune cells, but the vaccine is injected past these natural barriers. And we are talking about children here, whose immune function isn’t fully matured yet! Then add other vaccines, at the same time! Would your child naturally be exposed to diptheria, tetanus, pertussis, polio, Hep B, and influenza all on the same day? Well that is what their immune system is exposed to when multivalent and multiple vaccines are given simultaneously! It stresses the body and confuses the immune response. It has been proven that multiple vaccines increase the detrimental consequences of vaccinations. For instance, vaccination with the MMR vaccine and the chickenpox vaccine together doubles the risk of fever-related seizure among 1 and 2 year olds, compared to giving the vaccines separately. Infants receive 32 doses of at least 12 different vaccines containing additives, chemicals, metals, contaminants and bacteria/virus before the age of 2. By age 6, they have received 48 doses of 14 vaccines! How could this possibly carry no risk? And each child’s threshold with dealing with all these toxins and viruses is different, which is why public vaccination schedules are not recommended for certain children.
The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act was established to compensate families for severe adverse effects from vaccines (such as life-threatening illness, prolonged hospitalization, permanent disability, and death). This program also protects the vaccine manufacturers from any liability due to their health risks. It is estimated that only 10% of adverse reactions are filed, and yet over $1.5 billion has been paid to families for SEVERE adverse effects from vaccines.
Hep B, MMR and Rotavirus vaccines have highest incidence of adverse effects and reactions. MMR is a live vaccine and as such has the highest degree of risk of adverse side effects. It is a multi-valent vaccine and often adminstered with 5 other vaccines! And it is directly associated with causing inflammatory response in the brain (leading to developmental disorders and autistic symptoms). So if we are talking about the measles (accessible as MMR) vaccination, we are placing our children’s health at risk in order to prevent a rare disease which is not life-threatening, especially if treated correctly.
These health risks should not be taken lightly. In 1996, 872 serious adverse events were reported in children (under 14 years of age) who had the Hep B vaccine. 48 children DIED after injection that year! Died! Between 1990 and 1998, there were 9, 673 serious adverse events and 439 deaths reported from the Hep B vaccine alone. Compare this to the rate of contracting a virus when unvaccinated. MMR has an 80% vaccination rate, therefore 20% or16 million American children are unvaccinated. In 2004, of these 16 million children, there were only 23 cases of measles, 44 cases of mumps and no rubella. There were no fatalities.
It should also be noted that there are many countries that do not routinely administer certain vaccines, due to their health risks. For example, Australia and New Zealand do not administer Hep A. France stopped all school Hep B vaccination programs in 1998 due to it being directly linked to juvenile diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, and multiple sclerosis.
Personally, I applaud those parents who are taking a stand to protect their children from the risks inherent in catch-all public vaccination programs. I certainly wouldn’t call them ‘selfish’. The government should be ensuring that the health risks from vaccinations are minimized, yet this is not the case. Why are infants receiving so many vaccinations simultaneously before their immune systems are fully developed? Why don’t parents have access to single vaccinations for their children instead of multivalent vaccines? Why are toxic additives still being used? Why is more research not being conducted to investigate the combined health effects of multiple vaccines/additives/contamination, especially considering that the government recognizes that there are serious adverse health effects? If parents don’t put pressure on their government to change the standards to protect our children, who will?
Thank you Sharon for this wealth of information. Unfortunately the pro-vaxx, anti-choice people will not take the time to read it. They get their “facts” from the gov’t and the news media and swallow it whole without questioningly. If it’s not on a meme on Facebook or in a ticker tape going across the nightly news, they won’t believe it. It is sad how really dumb people are. They say “well, I’d rather my child get autism then DIE!” as if that’s even a possibility. If they knew anything about measles, mumps or chicken pox, they would not be so hysterical. They might have to change their bad and dangerous habits of feeding their kids crap. Maybe that’s why they’re freaking out. They’re so lazy they can’t pick up a cookbook and make a dinner from a scratch. They would not need to quote world wide mortality rates. They would not have to resort to showing black and white photos from the 40’s to prove their point. Very sad, really. I’m sorry to you wasted your very valuable time and all of the research you’ve done over the years on people who are freaking out over 100 cases of measles when last year there were 644 and they didn’t even realize it. In the last 51 days more kids have died from the flu then kids did from measles in the last oh 15 years or more.
Finally someone with a brain! Our child will not have all their vaccines, will have the 5 in 1 and the pneumococcal one, but spread a part, not in the time frame recommended. Certainly won’t have mmr, would consider a meal else vaccine on it’s own, still unable to find out whether they’re still available privately though
For Some children vaccines lead to lifelong illness, neurological disorders, deafness and death. Do your research. It’s not a one size fits all problem. Ask the court in DC that is set up only to handle vaccine related claims and problems
I CAN NOT vaccinate my child/Children my oldest got so sick after each one and now at 4years old she has had 3strokes and has brain damage why? Cause she had bad results with her shots, and now we no longer do them. I now am against them for my family what you do is fine, but look at it this way. Would you take the stuff in the shots and eat it on a spoon? if your answer is no why are you putting it in them in a shot.
Sharon, THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!
Whilst Everyone argues about vaccines (and I honestly haven’t read all of the above comments) why don’t you google the numbers of measles outbreaks before and after the introduction of the vaccine and whilst you at it check out whooping cough. The numbers are outsounding am glad I had my children vaccinated. There is risk everywhere we turn in life but I believe that the risk of my children being brain damaged, blind, losing limbs of dying from not being vaccinated is far higher than if they are. I am truly sorry that some children have had bad (or even deadly) vaccinations to vaccines but the numbers of children falling ill will measles before the vaccine is unbelievable! Many people react/are allergic to antibiotics – does this mean we shouldn’t give them to our children too if they are seriously ill or could die? Of course it doesn’t, it’s a risk we take!
OK seriously?
Way up at the top of the comments was someone who posted a link to a GlobalResearch article.
That globalresearch website is the biggest bunch of cow dung (ok, not quite the biggest – the Natural News is the biggest…. Oh wait, maybe it is Sheri Tenpenny’s site… oh wait…. Maybe it is the Mercola site….. anyway…)
Have you looked at the articles on that site? All “unverified sources” and “anonymous sources.” It plays on emotion and perception, not fact.
It claims that “mainstream” is false, that there are conspiracies, and that THEY are the truth. If they truly spoke the truth, provide some EVIDENCE, not just hypotheses of what they assume is the story. (I love that “mainstream” theory – coming from people who spend their day on Facebook and Google).
But, let’s go to the link at hand “unofficial transcript” and really? Wakefield? You still believe this guy? Who used a study of 12 – I will repeat that TWELVE – patients to claim that vaccines cause autism.
The anti-vax community who flocked to this blog to vilify the author should be ashamed of themselves.
Let’s look at some of the fallacies of the anti-vax community:
1. The “all or nothing” fallacy – vaccines are not 100% effective, so I don’t want them. Well, do you wear a seatbelt? They aren’t 100% effective, and sometimes they cause more harm. Do you brush your teeth to prevent cavities? Well that isn’t 100% effective either. I could give more examples, but you have probably stopped reading already.
2. The “toxin” fear-mongering. Because vaccines are full of all kinds of scary substances… mercury (not in pediatric vaccines, and in the few vaccines it is in, it is ETHYL, not METHYL mercury – google that, please). Formaldehyde (your body makes this anyway, and you are exposed to more in your carpet and laminate than in vaccines), and aluminum (yes, aluminum salt – in a lower dose than what a baby is exposed to in breast milk)… I could go on….
3. The “big pharma conspiracy” fallacy – and government conspiracy, and mainstream media conspiracy, and any number of variations on this topic: Big pharma would make much more money letting everyone get sick… an MMR vaccine is far less costly than a day in ICU with pneumonia. And, as for government, remember that Bill Clinton couldn’t even hide the fact that he got a great b******b… but the government can hide major medical secrets? Oh, and since when does the CDC and FDA run international scientific research? I have news for you – it doesn’t…. and if you think that it does, that is very “ugly American” of you.
4. The “my child is more important than yours” fallacy: no, your child is not. And if your measles carrying child infects that premature baby of your neighbors, you should be drawn and quartered.
5. The “my rights and freedoms” fallacy: yeah yeah….. whatever…. Do you pay your taxes? Do you drive on the proper side of the road? Try not to speed? Wear clothes in public? Guess what – your freedoms end, where someone else’s start… it isn’t a case of “freedom” but more a case of social responsibility. You don’t want to be responsible, move to a remote island with your anti-vax friends.
6. The “they haven’t tested enough” fallacy: I find this one funny, since medications are tested and re-tested, and tested again, while so-called organic and natural supplements have no guidelines to ensure that you are actually getting what you THINK you are getting.
7. The “one vaccine death or injury is too much” fallacy: what about the injuries from the illness? They don’t count? The blind and deaf children? The ones who suffer brain damage from encephalitis? Remember the lineups of iron lungs from polio? That was ok?
8. The “I know more than universities, doctors, and scientists, even though their IQ is two to three times higher than mine” fallacy: enough said….
9. AND, my personal favorite “vaccines cause autism” fallacy. If this was truly the case, in areas where there is a 90% vaccination rate, shouldn’t those areas have a 90% higher autism rate? And shouldn’t non-vaxxers have a 90% lower autism rate than vaxxers? Hmmmm – so not true…. And don’t even get me started on the Wakefield study…. 12 subjects does not a study make… and it has never been replicated.
I could provide 20 links off the top of my head to refute any of your anti-vax theories. But, your self-centered, self-important, think you are so smart (and will name-call any pro-vaxxer who disagrees with you) mentality is offensive.
Dear Ms. Know It all…..until you have a child that was growing properly , blowing kisses , waving good-bye , play-peek-a-boo , etc , meeting all their milestones … then you give them the MMR shot and all of it is gone , they are gone , they are physically here, but they know longer know that you are , then you can spout off it is bogus if you want to …until then whether you want to acknowledge all of the families that are going through or not ( there is a lot of us that now have kids from the MMR shot ) , then please do not try to tell us that what we are living through is a lie…the theory was DISCREDITED ONLY because they felt the doctor that the discovered the correlation between the MMR shot and Autism was to personally involved because he had a close family member that had Autism …he was told to stop saying it , he did NOT , he would not be quiet and lost his medical license for not playing by their rules ….We have a government that says the MMR is not related to the increase in Autistic numbers ( even though Formaldehyde and Thimerosal are used as preservatives) , but it is also the very same government that has now exempt us from any further MMR shots and has it stated on our medical records, what does that tell you ?? ……There has always been communities in the US that has not vaccinated their kids for various reasons and we have never had a problem ….the problem now is that we have so many undocumented illegal people here that have not been vaccinated and are bring the measles , TB and scabies in …..Im sorry but your blog was pure ignorance and very insensitive ….you may not agree with me , but at least I HAVE done my research
No one is denying that autism is real, no one is claiming that parents with autism lie about their child’s condition (why would they?) Dr Wakefield did not lose his license because he had a relative with autism and wouldn’t shut up about it, don’t know where you got that information from, the reality his he lost his license because he falsified medical records.
Wow ur annoying.. please calm down.. we can tell by ur writing style that ur far from a chemist or doctor.. givinvg ur perspective and underqualified.opinions about a trending topic is not needed on the internet or in my FB feed
I’m sorry I’m not really into putting dead babies in my baby. Also these vaccines are not completely safe when I was a kid I got mine and ended up getting it. So just because you get your kid vaccinated doesn’t mean they won’t get sick. And something doctors don’t tell you (cause they don’t have to), in most vaccines they are still using aborted fetus cells.
No one is putting ‘dead babies’ in your baby, and of course Dr’s have to advise you of what is in the medicines they give you, vaccine ingredients are freely available on the internet! Really silly comments like that doesn’t do your cause an favours I’m afraid.
Great post! You summed it up prefectly and anyone who disagrees is a moron. There are many stupid people in this world and unfortunately they have access to the internet. The human race would die out in days if it wasn’t for immunology and vaccines. Let’s not forget everything else science has created to make our life easier, like the smart phone or computer people will have faith in to post garbage, but not the people who invented the tech. They are all in on some global conspiracy where the smartest people are trying to trick the dumb ones. Good grief people are morons.
Matt? The human race would die out in days without vaccines????? You know we’ve been here for quite a while and vaccines are incredibly new right? We’ve managed ok so far!
Reading the comments on this thread honestly makes me sick. I’m assuming we’re all adults commenting here however you would never know that by what is being said. Obviously this is a very emotionally charges issue but calling names and wishing agonizing deaths on people and their children? I don’t even have words to describe how sickening that is. It’s one thing to debate these things, ask questions, and share research but I think there is a way to do so in a respectful way. Not to mention the fact that your arguments immediately lose credibility when you act that way.
An American court gave $1million and $600000 to two kids last year because the mmr vaccine have them autism. A court. Was provided sufficient evidence. To rule that mmr caused autism in these kids.
Bro, you act like unvaccinated kids are the only ones getting sick and better yet the only one passing sickness on, you get a shot of a live strain of whatever sickness then you have a period where you can pass it on! Don’t be soooo stupid and blind!
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She could always breastfeed her own child instead of expecting other people to protect her baby. The “anti-vaxxer” movement is driven by people who were once pro-Vaxcers” before they saw what baccines did to their kids. These kids aren’t “anecdotes”. And the stress and anxiety you’re feeling for a couple weeks is theirs on a daily basis with no end in sight. If you want to blame someone, blame yourself. Because you don’t give a shot about autism or vaccine safety. If the cause of autism were found, if even the most basic safety measures were in place to individualize vaccines, like checking titers BEFORE boosyers, people would feel safer. So, while you care only about your own child, maybe if you cared about the 1:68, maybe if you advocated for finding out what causes autism and how to cure it, you wouldn’t be in this position. If story is even true. AstroTurf is everywhere and this is a very well “crafted” piece, hitting all the talking points and even mentioning Schroedingers cat. Who remembers that episode of Big Bang Theory? With that kooky but live able Sheldon Cooper who is clearly no worse off for having autism. Because that’s no big deal, right?
Back in the day, prior to vaccines, I had all the childhood diseases that we include in vaccines today. My siblings and I were sick as can be as we rolled through all of them one at a time. Fortunately, we had no permanent damage except for chicken pox scars which all of us still carry today on our faces, legs, arms, backsides etc. Just cosmetic, though.
However, our summers were radically different that the summers of kids now. Our Mother, an RN, trained in 1935-38 practically quarantined us all summer from being with more than one or two kids at a time that she knew were well and hadn’t been exposed to polio. No movies, no fair, no indoor or activities where stranger kids gathered, naps, excellent nutrition, plenty of sleep, few trips where we would encounter lots of strangers, etc. We spent hours on our screened in back patio playing dolls, making doll clothes and reading. This was serious business but all around the midwest and the nation, kids and adults were either getting sick, paralyzed or dying.
Immunizations are life-saving! Talk to your grandmothers and great-grandmopthers! We’ve been there’
The polio shot was introduced in the 1930’s when all of these shots were introduced through a Nazi chemist brought into the U.S. to continue his research. Humans are an experienced project, just like animals. While the treatment is not the question, it is how their being preserved and manufactured in India and South America is a huge concern. The aspect of the unnecessary doses for infants and toddlers. How do you know the shot your child is receiving is 100% safe? To boldly state that all vaccinations are safe isn’t identifying the real problem. We need to do a better job about protecting children of the future. While being a healthcare provider is even more reason for you to have the integrity of supporting evidence to promote heath and safety of children.
http://www.healthheritageresearch.com/Polio-Vaccine/PV-comHistory.html
India is seeing reverse effects of giving vaccinations to cause more dmanages than helping their people.
http://vactruth.com/2014/10/05/bill-gates-vaccine-crimes/
You know what else has traces of toxins in it? Breast milk.
I hope you idiots are formula feeding your children if you’re truly concerned about traces of toxins.
Alternatively you could look up how toxicity is reliant on dosage, and vaccinate your kids.
The Strawman fallacy
Ad hominem
Anecdotal evidence
Cherry Picking
Tu Quoque
Basically this coward doesn’t have an original thought in it’s head.
I thought this was an excellent rebuttal.
https://leviquackenboss.wordpress.com/2015/01/27/dear-mom-who-thinks-i-need-to-vaccinate-my-kids-against-measles/comment-page-5/#comment-1864
Whether you vaccinate or not to say vaccines are 100% safe is a joke. I have heard doctors and the media say this. Anything that is driven by $$ you should be skeptical about. It amazes me how many people trust the FDA and CDC to protect their interests but really their agenda is completely different. If vaccines are so safe then why are pharmaceutical companies exempt from any lawsuits from vaccines? My daughter had a reaction from a vaccine and although only minor it scared the crap out of my husband and I. Sorry I am skeptical and it’s my right to be. Why should I let the government decide whats best for my child when there priority is not my child, but either a political agenda or money or both. Maybe they should change the ingredients in vaccines and people would feel a little bit better about vaccines.
This coming from a woman who calls her children “assholes”. No thank you.
I’ll just leave this here:
The 13 Most Evil U.S. Government Human Experiments:
http://topinfopost.com/2014/10/12/the-13-most-evil-u-s-government-human-experiments
This is only the top 13 – LOL
You are obviously as ignorant as your choice of words. It is not any child’s responsibility to to inject poison into their bodies to protect another child.
To anti-vaxxers: Sorry that research and implementation of vaccines by grownups (scientists, doctors, other health professionals) is getting in the way of your egos and willful ignorance.
The recent outbreak was caused by illegal aliens bringing in a strain that the MMR does not protect against this most cases were in children who had received the vaccination. More deaths have been caused by the MMR than measles in recent years. Don’t see you screaming to rid us of illegal aliens though
I am very sorry that your child is sick. I must disagree with you however because the studies that show vaccines are safe are bought and paid for by the drug companies that make the vaccines. I have heard of many other studies that link vaccines to a variety of other problems, including the skyrocketing rate of autism that started after we increased the number of vaccines that our children are required to get. So what you are asking is that more parents play Russian roulette with their children to lesson the chance that your child encounters the chamber with the bullet.
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Encephalitis is caused by the MMR vaccine according to the vaccine manufacturers, US Government, and the many 100’s of cases of claims paid out to brain damaged children. FU for telling me to inject my kid with aluminum, cancer causing agents, and chemicals which are known to cause brain damage. And Yes, there is plenty of science behind the damage caused, and MERK is now in a law suit for providing the government with false data on the effectiveness of the MMR vaccine. You are probably a shill for them, but in case you are not, what right do you have to tell others to risk their kids life? Are you going to take case of them after they get sick? Sorry your kid has cancer, there is at least a chance he/she got it from the vaccines you choose to give them.
Measles vaccine kills more people than actual vaccine. Do your research.
I feel a loss in my mental state reading this immature horrible rant about nothing. I’ve wasted 5 minutes of my life forever. Your lack education my friend.
First I’d like to say I’m so sorry.
Second- How could you possibly know that an unvaccinated child got your child sick? This is an assenine argument. What about the children shedding vaccines? What about the adults that are no longer “protected”? I love how the non-vaxxers always get blamed.
If vaccines are so safe then tell me this- WHY has there NEVER ONCE been an unbiased third party study comparing vaccinated children/adults with unvaccinated children/adults? Answer- because they already know the answer and it would cause them to lose billions.
Mm hmm, and what about newborns who have NO immune system?
I would love to know what this obnoxious, self centered, holier than thou, soapbox babbling plebeian’s credentials are to make such erroneous statements. She’s clearly not a rational person (which is obvious to anyone with an IQ above 12), but even a moron is responsible for their words. I wonder how much serious research she’s done aside from checking with the CDC who is basically a branch of big pharma.
The typical fearful American never ceases to amaze me.
Exactly. But these terrified, brainwashed, sheeple are so conditioned to behave as the television instructs them, that critical thinking has ceased being an option. “TV says it’s safe; let me inject my newborn with a list of ingredients that read like a recipe for rat poison and ignore ALL of my logic”.
I almost feel sorry for these people. Almost.
Your sarcasm doesn’t make it true. Cdc admits that vaccines don’t work. Your child is lucky they can’t be vaccinated. Consider it a blessing. All these kids that are getting these viruses injected into them will kill your daughter. When you were a child you didn’t have 38+ vaccines injected into your body. All those children will never be able to grow up and have kids b/c of all the poisons that polluted their little bodied. If it has to be mandatory then it must be safe. Wake up lady your being lied to, mislead, and informed.
Your kid most likely has cancer because of the vaccines and bs chemicals you shot into your baby bear.
I just have one question. Then a personal story. If vaccines work and are so effective, why are you worried about your kids who are immunized getting the disease?
Yes I have heard that the more people who are vaccinated the less likely everyone is to being exposed to the disease. Less exposure does equal less risk, but if vaccines are so effective then very few vaccinated people should get the disease any way.
I started out giving my kids all the vaccines. My third child started having convulsions and screaming. Even after the convulsions stopped he would lay in my arms for 20 minutes not responding to any one or anything. It started at about 7 months old and increasingly got worse, but it was never constant for more than a week at a time. At a year old we did tests that showed nothing. The doctors could not explain it and some even acted like they thought we were making it up. I began to try and find any changes in diet, environment etc. that may have contributed and systematically began to eliminate them. Striving to track and record.I focused on things that supposedly would be more likely to effect his neurological system. Of course I was praying. Several months into this (and about 4 weeks after an immunization when symptoms were at a peak) I thought perhaps the immunization may have caused or contributed to it. I began at the cdc website and went from there in my research. I still don’t know if the immunization caused it, but I am convinced it exasperated it. I quit giving immunizations to see what would happen. The convulsions decreased and quit. With in a few months he quit screaming and convulsing. He has never had another episode. He is 9 years old. He does have issues that I think may have stemmed from damage done, but I will never be able to prove it. No he is not autistic.
I had one Dr. tell me not to immunize and another one told me I was harming him because I quit immunizing.
Don’t tell me I have no right to decide what goes into my child”s body. Why is it okay to sacrifice hundreds of children who are or may be harmed by immunizations to save others. Would you still think it was okay to sacrifice some if your child was the one harmed?
EDUCATE PEOPLE AND LET THEM DECIDE, DON’T BLAME.
Several years later we lived in an area where whooping cough was at an all time high since immunizations became common. My children never got it. Yes I was worried the one not immunized might, but I was more scared of what the immunization might do to him.
My fourth child didn’t receive any immunizations. He is 4 years old and was prescribed his first antibiotic this year. He is a healthy happy kid. I haven’t decided yet if I will immunize him or not, but I want him to be old enough to communicate to me how he feels so I can identify problems more quickly if needed.
Wow. You really know nothing about science and your language is repellent.
Great article, but you opened up a can of worms for idiocracy in your comment section. People that didn’t actually read it are commenting “Good that your kid has cancer, your vaccinations caused it!” Really?? Then a whole bunch of anti-vaxxers with their “credible” sources, spam it up and make me feel dumber just by reading their comments. Did my IQ just drop from reading all of that racket? I vaccinated my kids, and my kids are FINE. DO YOU HEAR ME, ANTI-VAXXERS? FINE.
I understand not being able to vaccinate because of medical issues, but if your child has no problems, JUST DO IT.
Here’s House, M.D. explaining why you should: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gku93laoec
Entertainment doesn’t do it for you? Here are some real doctors telling you why: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgpfNScEd3M
Still entertaining. Ah, well.
I’m done.
Have a lovely day~!
Your kids may be fine but the billions of dollars that the federal government has paid to families who have children with legitimate vaccine injuries are not fine. This system was put in place to protect the vaccine industry from lawsuits that would bring them down. It is extremely disrespectful of you to negate the pain and suffering these families have been through because of vaccines that are not 100% safe. Read the ingredients and the WARNINGS on their labels. I’m glad that your children were lucky enough to not be affected and that your world is so small that you can say you don’t know anyone who has. How fortunate you are. But you should do your own research instead of listening to your child’s pediatrician who is PAID in bonuses from BCBS for having at least 63% of his patients fully vaccinated by the age of 2.
I understand why but i have a vaccine injured son that went cross eyed, suffers from respiratory problems & is learning impared. I my self have suffered from vaccines & my husband still has seizures from his grade 6 booster. Do you ever stop to wonder if maybe the tung of vaccines you gave your kids gave or triggered their cancer??? Dont tell some one after they’ve suffered from vaccines that they should continue giving them to their children. My cousins 6 month old baby girl died 2 hours after receiving 5 vaccines, my uncles baby dies 8 hours after he recieved 8 vaccines & my stepmom was hospitalized for 2 weeks after getting the flue shot. Vaccines are not 100% safe but youd rather tell every one to still get them. Im glad the truth is coming out..countries are out right banning them.
http://healthwyze.org/reports/60-vaccine-secrets
Click the link or copy and paste..a list of vaccine ingredients and what problems they cause including cancer.
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I’m not as think as you stoned I am.
https://www.infowars.com/bombshell-study-proves-unvaccinated-children-are-healthier/
Along with the head scientist at the CDC calling his friend to apologize for covering up the true data. You are a world class idiot.
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People better wake the HELL up ! They trust the CDC and govt , I think this is the problem. Can’t trust these evil assholes ! It’s scary but the big corporations likeBIG PHARMA is causeing all these health problems in baby , teenagers , adults and no one is getting it. Dr s are as corrupt. They get BIG BONUSes from Big PHARMA on every jab they do to human s. Why in the 60 s , 70 , s 80 s kids were never chronically ill and very few were autistic ! Now there are autistic schools in larger city’s because there are so many !! Sounds to me like HERD SLAVERY … DUMMY DOWN ALL HUMANS TO CONTROL !!!!! also SCARE PEOPLE TO CONTROL THEM. THIS WAY THEY WILL NEVER ASK QUESTIONS !! I have seen this myself !!! Try to scare you in losing your job if you don’t get vaccines and usually do fire you if you don’t succumb to these nasty vaccines!!! kids are getting full of inflammation and thier immune system cant handle all these vaccines !! In the 60 s and 70 s even 80 s you only had maybe 5 or 6 vaccines by the time you were 18 ! Now kids have 60 by the time they are 18. Sounds like a HERD PLAN TO ME. ITS CALLED KEEP PEOPLE N BABY s SICK FOR $$$$$ … CDC , dr s , FDA , Big Ag EPA Health Ins Company’s are all involved in this CORRUPTION and it is killing baby s, kids, and adults or causeing chronic health conditions !!! Wake up stand for YOUR RIGHT !!!
If your child actually has cancer or was immunocompromised for some other reason and your pediatrician actually took the time to read the vaccine insert they would read the line that says they should not come in contact with a child who has been recently vaccinated with a vaccine that contains a live virus such as MMR, polio, chicken pox, flu or rotavirus. They are actually susceptible to contracting the disease from which the vaccine is meant to protect them against through vaccine shedding. This is why we have had measles outbreaks in FULLY vaccinated populations. The mainstream media receives millions of dollars in paid advertisements from the pharmaceutical/vaccine industry so you can never expect to get the other proven research, such as the recent study that non-vaccinated children are overall healthier than vaccinated children. People need to stop Mom-shaming. If your child is vaccinated then they should be “safe” from all infections disease, right? Otherwise, the vaccines you are giving them are ineffective, in which case, what’s the point? If your child is immunocompromised and can’t receive vaccines than you need to be just as worried about the recently vaccinated children who are walking around with a live virus in them than the non-vaccinated who are more than likely perfectly healthy with strong natural immunity.
Vaccine deniers are just like creationists: it’s not a failure to understand; it’s a REFUSAL to understand.
wow. you. cannot be more arrogant lol
Uh, children rarely die from these diseases in our sanitary and improved hygiene nation (from the 60s/70s)…
But the kids sure are more unhealthy with chronic illnesses and debilitating diseases that may not kill them, but make them lab rats for LIFE.
Herd immunity should be called Herd Virus Mutation Club….teaching the virus in the human population to mutate faster….. facepalm
These are too funny. How about mind your own business, Karen? Some parents look deeply into vaccines and are selective. Makes sense. They have their own ways to fight it off.
This is the kind of hate that government and Big Pharma lies has driven people to. The reality is that vaccines are a complete fraud and have never provided anyone with biological protection from disease throughout history. They are a major cause of disease and death and should be universally banned.
Also, the concepts of the contagion and the virus are both mythical constructs, originally born out of the desire of governments to absolve themselves of responsibility for disease, to blame it on some random phenomenon emerging from nature when the reality is that all diseases are poisonings of one form or another and are entirely avoidable.
No disease has ever been demonstrated to be transmissible under controlled conditions. Rigorous scientific investigations have been carried out on this historically and they consistently failed to show that disease symptoms can be passed from person to person (e.g. the Gallops Island study into the supposedly highly-infectious “Spanish Flu”: https://moscow.sci-hub.se/4021/da48b390a33f0ef54f59d6974a4104f6/rosenau1919.pdf ). The idea that people catch diseases off each other is the world’s most prevalent and most dangerous superstition.